wakedown
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The fencer trait improves AoOs:
You gain a +1 bonus on attacks of opportunity made with daggers, swords, and similar bladed weapons.
Parry and riposte kind of talk about expending AoOs and then making attacks, but it never directly says "can make an attack of opportunity":
At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack... Upon performing a successful parry and if she has at least 1 panache point, the swashbuckler can as an immediate action make an attack against the creature whose attack she parried..
First question, could a swashbuckler use the Fencer trait to improve parries and/or ripostes?
Second question, assuming you said "yes" to the Fencer trait granting a +1 on parries and ripostes because you consider them attacks of opportunity, could you then use a Glorious weapon to make multiple parries as part of the same riposte?
This special ability can be placed only on melee weapons. A fortuitous weapon grants the wielder more attacks of opportunity. Once per round, when the wielder of a fortuitous weapon hits with an attack of opportunity, he can make a second attack of opportunity with this weapon against that foe at a –5 penalty.
In this same vein, you could continue to make your swashbuckler's parry and riposte stronger by perhaps going after the Swarm Strike and Paired Opportunists feats... based on the assumption that parry and riposte are AoOs.
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By RAW? It's certain it doesn't work, we don't have enough wiggle space to have other interpretation. Expend a use, and conditionally make an attack are not making an attack of opportunity.
Now, I think it's a reasonable way of seeing it, most Dm should allow it in my opinion. For it to work you need combat reflexes, a weapon enchant and a panache point to spent. You don't even get an attack if you don't parry.
wakedown
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For what it's worth, the text for the swashbuckler changed from the first version of the playtest:
At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and can expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if she were making an attack of opportunity.
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At 1st level, immediately after a swashbuckler performs a successful parry, she can spend 1 panache point to make an attack of opportunity against the creature whose attack she blocked..
So, this change was certainly one that was made in bringing this towards final form.
The second playtest kept the "attack of opportunity" wording with parry, but altered it for riposte.
KarlBob
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I've read both of these threads, and I'm still confused.
From the other thread:
Nefreet wrote:So bonuses to-hit when making an AoO don't apply either?"The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if he were making an attack of opportunity."
I think this bit of the ability will answer your question.
I'm afraid Stephen's answer was too cryptic for me.
For clarity, I'm going to break this down into two separate questions.
Does Fencer apply to an opportune parry?
An opportune parry is an attack roll, not an AoO. This suggests that Fencer should not apply.
However, the swashbuckler makes this particular attack roll "as if she were making an AoO." If the swashbuckler was making an AoO, then Fencer would apply. This suggests that Fencer might apply after all.
Does Fencer apply to a riposte?
A riposte is an attack roll, made as an immediate action. Without the "as if" language, I see no reason why Fencer should apply to a riposte.