Regarding the unarmed paladin archetype: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo---pal adin-archetypes/enlightened-paladin-paladin-archetype
If my paladin is completely unarmed (thus using unarmed strike class feature and improved unarmed strike), how many attacks does he get to make (assuming BAB<5)
Does he just hit once?
Can he hit once with each hand? And if so does it incur the penalties from fighting with 2 weapons?
An Unarmed Strike is treated as any other weapon.
You may attack up to your BaB, or more if you use Two-Weapon Fighting.
So i get -4 to primary unarmed strike and -8 to off hand unarmed strike if i don't have two weapon fighting??
Disappointing, but thanks.
One last thing, if i'm holding a bow, can i still make attacks using unarmed strike class feature (such as with kicks etc)?
Yes.
so mechanically, making a full attack with unarmed strike unarmed is exactly the same as doing it without stowing my bow?
Thanks! that opens up a lot more options to me :)
Just remember, you can't TWF with a bow and your Unarmed Strike.
Wait, is that meant as you can't attack with the bow and do an unarmed attack at the same time? or do you mean you can't do two unarmed attacks (with two weapon fighting) while wielding a bow?
As in using a bow (or any two handed weapon) in conjunction with Unarmed Strikes for TWFing.
You can still TWF using kicks, headbutts, etc. while HOLDING a bow, but you can't, say, fire a bow and take the TWFing penalty to also get in kicks on an adjacent target.
Ah good, that's what i thought, just had to make sure.
Just remember, you can't TWF with a bow and your Unarmed Strike.Not true.
A bow is not a two-handed weapon.
A bow is a ranged weapon, that requires two hands to use.
This is an important difference.
The Two-Handed Fighter cannot use Overhand Chop, with a Bow, because of this difference.
That's interesting, I assumed otherwise! I doubt situations where you'd want to do that would come up much, but it's good to know...
As a follow up question: What are the best things for a level 1 character (of this build) to hold in his hands while having the option to unarmed strike? (bearing in mind i have martial prof as a paladin)
Would it be a greatsword? bow? dual wield? i'm for anything, from chakrams to reach weapons.
I was planning on taking 2 wep fighting feat at first level for the 2 unarmed hits, but i'm open to any alternate feat suggestions if they allow cool bonuses / tricks with weps i can use.
Not being restricted to monk proficiencies and having full BAB creates a lot of options i'm sure.
Use a reach weapon. I use a masterwork glaive-guisarme. It will significantly expand your area of control on the battlefield and in no way interferes with your ability to unarmed strike adjacent foes.
This is pretty much my go-to plan unless anyone can suggest anything better, I know 4e had a load of feats that gave bonuses if you were wielding certain weapons, anyone know of anything like that for pathfinder?
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Disappointing, but thanks.
One last thing, if i'm holding a bow, can i still make attacks using unarmed strike class feature (such as with kicks etc)?
Paladins don't have that class feature. You can make unarmed attacks using the standard 1-3 +str for damage, but you will provoke when doing so, unless you take the Improved Unarmed Strike Feat. I'd just step back 5 feet and shoot in your place.
Paladins don't have that class feature. You can make unarmed attacks using the standard 1-3 +str for damage, but you will provoke when doing so, unless you take the Improved Unarmed Strike Feat. I'd just step back 5 feet and shoot in your place.Disappointing, but thanks.
One last thing, if i'm holding a bow, can i still make attacks using unarmed strike class feature (such as with kicks etc)?
Unarmed Strike
At 1st level, an Enlightened paladin gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. In addition, he gains the unarmed strike monk ability, treating his monk level as half his paladin level (minimum 1) for calculating his unarmed strike damage.
This is why I posted the link in the first post to the paladin archetype.
Doh!, ninja'd
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That's interesting, I assumed otherwise! I doubt situations where you'd want to do that would come up much, but it's good to know...As a follow up question: What are the best things for a level 1 character (of this build) to hold in his hands while having the option to unarmed strike? (bearing in mind i have martial prof as a paladin)
Would it be a greatsword? bow? dual wield? i'm for anything, from chakrams to reach weapons.
I was planning on taking 2 wep fighting feat at first level for the 2 unarmed hits, but i'm open to any alternate feat suggestions if they allow cool bonuses / tricks with weps i can use.
Not being restricted to monk proficiencies and having full BAB creates a lot of options i'm sure.
Weapon come in categories: Light, One-handed, Two-handed, and Ranged.
Now, some fall into more than one category, like the Dagger, which is both Light, and Ranged.
The FAQ Rynjin is mentioning, is one that specifically prevents two-weapon fighting, with two-handed weapons.
Luckily, the Bow, is not a two-handed weapon.
It falls solely in the Ranged category.
It requires two hands to use, but is not a two-handed weapon.
So, you can't use it with the Shield of Swings feat, but you can two-weapon fight with it, and any weapon that doesn't require the hands you are using to fire the bow.
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I should also mention, that you are only two-weapon fighting, when you make a full attack, and choose to two-weapon fight, thus gaining an extra attack.
So, outside of that full attack, in which you are gaining an extra attack, you are not two-weapon fighting.
That means, no penalties, and no restrictions.
Absolutely.
You can even headbutt.
Headbutting, and kicking, is something a Commoner, with no feats other than Endurance, can do.
Actually, you can use any body part.
*breathes heavily through mouth*
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Well, the important parts are covered.
Somewhere, there is some wrong DM, who requires you to be a Monk, to kick something.
That shouldn't be.
You're not required to be a monk to kick someone. But if that someone is armed, and you don't have the improved unarmed strike feat, you are join to provoke an AOO as he swings his sword on your outstretched leg.
You might try dipping a level in monk for flurry at -1/-1 your normal BAB. I'm sure Irori would approve. Or, if you're really into the idea of the unarmed strike paladin, check out the Prestige class, Champion of Irori.
Just don't try to get from Iroran Paladin to Champion of Irori in the same character, since the prestige class requires the Smite Evil class feature that your archetype gave up. I don't know if the Advanced Class Guide has a way to do that, but I could find no worthwhile way to get from one to the other without that book.
so mechanically, making a full attack with unarmed strike unarmed is exactly the same as doing it without stowing my bow?Yes.
You could be holding anything, in both hands.
Unarmed Strikes do not require hands.
Ah so that's how all that got resolved? I paid attention to the discussion about if you could use unarmed strikes while holding weapons that require you to use two hands, and I just got disgusted and never came back around the time I started seriously seeing the phrase "metaphorical hands" thrown around.