Two lances while mounted?


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Under the description for the lance, it states that while mounted, you can wield it one handed. Does this mean that if had the TWF feat, I could wield and make charge attacks with two lances?


Not with out some way to make multiple attacks during full attack action (what it takes to get a charge off).


Mmk. I'll search for something that looks close, and return to ask if it's legal.


You'll be looking for some way to get pounce.


Nevermind, looked up the actual book wording. It states you can only make one attack, regardless of BAB or number of weapons wielded.


Except, as Skylancer4 said, Pounce lets you full attack after a charge.


No, if you're pouncing you can take all of your iteratives on a charge. Usually you'll be doing that as a Barbarian or Synthesist Summoner. Another probably-horrible-suboptimal-but-possible option would be to be a Kitsune Sohei and pick spears as your weapon training group so you can flurry with a lance. zenlancepounce!


I'd allow it, but I'd impose a Riding check penalty equal to the off-hand weapon penalty. If one were trying to be at all realistic (not a criticism! I avoid reality myself!) I'd say no. Try riding a horse with a ten foot 2-by-four under each arm.

But wasn't there a King Arthur movie recently where Sir Lancelot did just that?


Assuming you have Pounce, yes you can do it, but
You take obnoxious penalties for TWF with a one-handed weapon in your off hand.
You only get the extra damage on the first attack (though a case could be made for first attack with each weapon)


Technically no. RAW the lance is still a two-handed weapon and you cannot use two-handed weapons while two-weapon fighting. You would have to have some ability that lets you treat the lance as a one-handed weapon but then you would lose the 1.5 Str/Power attack.


I was thinking that the doublestrike ability from the two-weapon warrior would work, but nope, that's a special standard action (not something you can do on a charge, like Vital Strike, right?)


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Technically no. RAW the lance is still a two-handed weapon and you cannot use two-handed weapons while two-weapon fighting. You would have to have some ability that lets you treat the lance as a one-handed weapon but then you would lose the 1.5 Str/Power attack.

Well, good thing Lance says right in its weapon description that it can be used one handed when mounted.

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Unfortunately, the wording is really weird for the lance. Even though you're wielding it one-handed, it is still treated as 2-handed for Power Attack and other effects that care about handedness.

This is different from everything else that changes how many hands you wield a weapon in.

Yes, it's pretty dumb.


CommandoDude wrote:
Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Technically no. RAW the lance is still a two-handed weapon and you cannot use two-handed weapons while two-weapon fighting. You would have to have some ability that lets you treat the lance as a one-handed weapon but then you would lose the 1.5 Str/Power attack.

Well, good thing Lance says right in its weapon description that it can be used one handed when mounted.

/bullet

It can be used in one hand. It is still a two-handed weapon. And as I have noted in other threads, the lance appears to be the only weapon in the game that makes this distinction.


Well, I was curious on the wording, and I know it's a definite no... Unless for some reason the Game Creators add in a feat or archetype that allows it.


If they change their mind, it'll come with the ACG and a Swashbuckler archetype that gets a mount and uses a lance.

But for now, Paizo's ruling is very silly.


Dis concepts ridiculous.

*Raises dual-wielded shields in mock salute*

*Rides off on party barbarian's shoulders*


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What if you're using lances that are meant for a smaller creature and you have the pounce special quality?


Works fine then.


Awesome, just negatives up the wazzoo. I can deal with that.

Grand Lodge

TheBulletKnight wrote:
Under the description for the lance, it states that while mounted, you can wield it one handed. Does this mean that if had the TWF feat, I could wield and make charge attacks with two lances?

No. You can wield it one handed while mounted as part of the traditional jousting lance and shield style.


Arachnofiend wrote:
But for now, Paizo's ruling is very silly.

It's so that power attack and other things that key off the force of your attack aren't gimped when you use a lance and a shield while mounted. It makes mounted chargers viable, basically.


Note that the description says you can wield it in one hand. If the ruling was otherwise, you could still hold a lance two-handed (this was, in fact, how mounted combat worked IRL for a time, though I know reality is never a good argument when discussing Pathfinder) and get the full Power Attack.

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