Just curious, is there any explanation in the rpg version of Pathfinder as to how and why Harsk can add divine to his abilities or is this something that is only part of the card game?
Just curious, is there any explanation in the rpg version of Pathfinder as to how and why Harsk can add divine to his abilities or is this something that is only part of the card game?
In the RPG, Rangers gain the ability to cast spells when they reach 4th level, so that was not something made just for the card game. That said, in the RPG, Paladins also wait until 4th level for spellcasting, but in card game Seelah starts with the Divine skill and one spell, so I'd say that's more of a discrepancy. Still, the Divine Skill fits Seelah from the get-go, as it probably symbolizes religious knowledge as well as divine abilities such as Lay on Hands and the Mercies that go with it. (Detect Evil and Smite Evil are represented by her powers).
Thanks : ). I wasn't sure if it was standard to the class or some bit of flavor specific to Harsk and his story. As you say, so far he's the only character that adds on spell casting instead of starting with it.
Now that I think of it, that would mean that all of the rangers in the upcoming class deck would be able to use spells as well. If that is truly the case Is there the possibility that some of those rangers will have the option of arcane casting or are they all divine? If you can choose in the rpg it would be nice somewhere down the road to be able to choose between the two in PACG to be able to tailor each character even more to the player's style.
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Rangers are generally all divine casters, and the stats for divine casting (usually Wisdom, but sometimes Charisma - IIRC, Rangers are not Charisma-based divine) are not usually the same for arcane (Intelligence, but sometimes Charisma a la sorcerers). A ranger could only take arcane spells if multi-classing - something that it doesn't appear PACG is really going to be able to support too well.
The basic Pathfinder classes are as they are, but I'm pretty sure lots of subclasses and subraces have come out since its inception.
I know in D&D, Divine-based sorcerers were a thing (Could also be called a sorcerer-like cleric, just depends on how you view it), so it's quite possible that Pathfinder also has something along those lines. So an Arcane-based Ranger isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Maybe instead of gaining their magic from Nature (thus the Divine, it simply -is-), they gain it from something like voodoo, the mystical arts, or something else along those magical lines.
I know in D&D, Divine-based sorcerers were a thing (Could also be called a sorcerer-like cleric, just depends on how you view it), so it's quite possible that Pathfinder also has something along those lines.
In Pathfinder, the divine caster that casts like a sorcerer is an Oracle. Alahazra the iconic oracle will be in the Skulls and Shackles base set. You can read about the character here.
As for an arcane-based ranger, you'd be looking for one with a role card for Arcane Archer, which in the RPG is a prestige class that mixes arcane magic and archery. Exactly what it says on the tin, i guess. It's possible that one of the characters in the Ranger class decks might have an Arcane Archer role, but I really have no idea. I guess we'll find out at Gen Con. :)
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In the RPG there are ways to make a ranger that doesn't have magic at all as well. There are class variants called archetypes, and some of them trade away ranger spellcasting for other abilities.
If you're looking for a fighting/arcane combo, the magus class does that and the iconic magus has been announced as being in the base set for Skull&Shackles.
In the RPG, Rangers gain the ability to cast spells when they reach 4th level, so that was not something made just for the card game. That said, in the RPG, Paladins also wait until 4th level for spellcasting, but in card game Seelah starts with the Divine skill and one spell, so I'd say that's more of a discrepancy. Still, the Divine Skill fits Seelah from the get-go, as it probably symbolizes religious knowledge as well as divine abilities such as Lay on Hands and the Mercies that go with it. (Detect Evil and Smite Evil are represented by her powers).
If you try to match RPG levels to PACG powers, you will drive yourself batty.
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If you try to match RPG levels to PACG powers, you will drive yourself batty.
I don't doubt that. :)
Also, since I just realized this now, thank you for not using the game term "level" anywhere in the PACG. The word was... overloaded in the source material.
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Now that I think of it, that would mean that all of the rangers in the upcoming class deck would be able to use spells as well. If that is truly the case Is there the possibility that some of those rangers will have the option of arcane casting or are they all divine? If you can choose in the rpg it would be nice somewhere down the road to be able to choose between the two in PACG to be able to tailor each character even more to the player's style.
There are actually a few archetypes of the Ranger class in the Pathfinder RPG that drop spellcasting completely for other abilities, like trap setting or tricks like a Rogue might choose from, so it's definitely likely that one or more of the rangers in the class deck will have no spellcasting ability. Arcane casting is very unlikely though.
This discussion gets me wondering about the cards that will be in the Ranger class deck. Assuming some rangers can take Divine skill and spell feats, there will need to be a decent selection of divine spells for them to choose from. On the other hand, that will be a whole lot of useless cards for rangers who choose not to go the spell route.
Having said that, I suppose for every class and character there will be X cards that aren't useful if you're not going the X route.
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Having said that, I suppose for every class and character there will be X cards that aren't useful if you're not going the X route.
For any of the class decks you're going to have about 100 cards available, but at most your play deck consists of about 20. There's a lot of room for niche options.
Having said that, I suppose for every class and character there will be X cards that aren't useful if you're not going the X route.For any of the class decks you're going to have about 100 cards available, but at most your play deck consists of about 20. There's a lot of room for niche options.
I think that there might be quite a few divine spells with the character deck. We are probably looking at 2-3 different spells in each adventure number just to keep the options open. I think that we will also see a Ranger with the Divine skills from the get go.
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Whatever gave you that idea?If you try to match RPG levels to PACG powers, you will drive yourself batty.I don't doubt that. :)
Also, since I just realized this now, thank you for not using the game term "level" anywhere in the PACG. The word was... overloaded in the source material.
You took that joke to the next level.
There is an archetype for the ranger in the RPG called Trapper that takes away spells and gives them traps that would be really cool to see in the card game
I don't really know how that might work, unless there was an added line of text on the spell, or item, whatever it may be that required the character using it to be a Ranger. It is an interesting thought, though. It could be a role that give a Seoni-esque power that worked as a trap, where you could discard a spell to trap.
I guess that is also true. But we already have the trap trait, don't we? It is on barriers, I believe. Either way, it could create more Lini type interactions, where she is better at acquiring animals, or better at fighting them. I would actually like that a lot. I am a little Lini biased, because she is my favorite character, but still I think the interactions that she can have with cards is very cool, since there are both boons and banes with the same trait. I would like to see more crossover of that type, so that there are more interactions like this. If it is Rangers and Trap, then I would be completely okay with it.
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I could see some ways to make a trapper ranger work.
Disarm and Craft would be obvious skills for the character.
Since this is a class deck character, they could have boon traps in the deck for that character to use, without worrying too much about having to make them viable for everyone.
I could see most traps being items that discard/bury/banish for some effect, with the trapper ranger getting to recharge them or something.
You could have a net trap that evades an encounter, maybe some traps that add direct combat dice or reduce a combat difficulty.
That is interesting as well. Like you said, anything that might make them better at defeating, acquiring, and using traps would be great. I really like the idea. Another idea would be disabling a trap barrier, and then acquiring a random trap item from the box.
Would cards like Caltrops then get the trap trait if this were the change? I think so. Interesting thought.