Dude... You killed your 8 year old daughter's character?! That's straight up harsh. You really are the MVP of Death. When I play with my kids, who all started playing right around 7 years old, and have now been playing for a few years, I make sure never to kill them. I want them to have as much fun as possible playing this game, so that they keep playing for life. :) I mean, sure, I've dropped a couple of their characters into negative hit points, but I always make sure there's a way to come back. I don't want to criticize the way anyone GM's, to each his own, and if she's having fun then rock on! However, I just can't imagine killing a young adventurer's character.
As to the original question, I'm not familiar with the original material so I can't help there, but, I'm going to actually kind of reiterate what I said above. At this stage in a young player's game, it's all about fun. Especially since it is a true "home" game. If that's what she wants, and you think eidolon is the best way to go about it, have at it! Heck, I wouldn't even make her forgo her spells, I'd just give her an eidolon in place of her animal companion at level 4. It's a home game, and it's your 8 year old daughter. Give her a chimera as an animal companion if you want. :)
Yeah, losing casting and gaining an eidolon at sumoner-3 seems like an appropriate trade. You may consider making an equivalent to the boon companion feat to bring this back up to full summoner level with investment.
I can't recall the characters pet from the anime, but make sure you audit the eidolon evolutions regularly because the rules for them are a little bit confusing for some.
I normaly do not kill my kids in the game as they are 8(d) 9(d) 10(s) 13(s) but the oldest and youngest did something so stuppid that even when I told them that they should not be starting this fight that they did and as a result they both died.
I am honest I am not sure how powerfull a eidolon is so that is why I am asking and yes she is the youngest but she is the best of the 4 and even the one most likly to become a power gamer both in this and in vidoe games.
Eidolons are quite powerful. I'd say giving a ranger an eidolon might be a bit much.
Are you familiar with the advanced class guide playtest?
The hunter in that is a 3/4 bab 6 level spell casting character that has a full animal companion. I would just use that as my base and create a custom companion based on the big cat that can also fly and transform into something smaller.
Kirara (Demon Cat)
Starting Statistics: Size Medium; Speed 40 ft., flight 30ft; AC +1 natural armor; Attack bite (1d6), 2 claws (1d4); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 17, Con 13, Int 2, Wis 15, Cha 10; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.
4th-Level Advancement: Size Large; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d8), 2 claws (1d6); Ability Scores Str +8, Dex –2, Con +4; Special Attacks grab, Special Qualities Transform
Transform: As a standard action Kirara may turn into a tiny cat. While in this form Kirara has none of her normal abilities and instead uses the statistics for a cat from the bestiary. It is a standard action to return to its normal larger form.
As Kolokotroni said,
The customizability of the eidolon can make them horrifically game changing.
I would rather give a special animal companion. Maybe give up the casting for a better than normal animal companion.
Or a cohort with the leadership feat. She is looking for her Kirara to join her. It takes a couple of levels and the leadership feet to find Kirara and convince her to join.
I think the eidolon can be a fair exchange if you take into account the reduction in combat effectiveness that the ranger suffers for losing its casting. I just think that the eidolon needs to be kept in line via regular audits to make sure that the eidolon is legit.
You could also make an evolution for the transform ability that kolokotroni suggested.
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I wouldn't try to do an Eidolon, if I were you - they're notoriously hard to build for newer players. I would go with a straight Ranger with a large cat animal companion and give it special properties like those Kolokotroni mentioned above. (IIRC Kirara can fly - perhaps there's a magic item that can help with that?) Much easier to handle and you don't need to worry about balancing as much. I think giving up spells is a worthy trade for a feat (Boon Companion) and a bunch of special qualities on her animal companion; you may just opt for diminished spellcasting instead.
Why are you wanting to design a ranger with an eidolon? Understanding what you are trying to do would help with evaluating alternatives.
What does the character need to do that a ranger can do but a summoner can't?
What does the pet need to do that an eidolon can do but an animal companion can't?
Unfortunately I am not familiar with the anime character being used, or I would probably have an idea of how to answer these questions myself.
If you do go with an eidolon, you could check the Summoner section of Ultimate Magic and use whatever monster the eidolon is most supposed to resemble as a model for what evolutions to give it.
Dude... You killed your 8 year old daughter's character?!
lol
You are the GM, you can just hand-wave the animal companion turning into an eidolon instead. In case you are curious, there is a very technical method to legally get an eidolon as a ranger. This method is probably too burdensome for an 8 year old.
*Edit* Reading the above posts - obtaining the eidolon is not through the Boon Companion feat line.
Mapleswitch, would you please point me to the book for a ranger to get an Eidolon?
I love summonrrs, have 4 of them in PFS but a chance to play a range
with Eidolon would be a nice change of pace. Playing another class would bout be a nice change of pace as I dislike the other classes.
Actually, I'd like to see that too. I didn't know there was a RAW way to get an eidolon as a companion for a ranger. A point towards how that could happen would be appreciated.
I think it's an urban legend.
I have had least 3 people tell me a ranger can have an eidolon and I've seen it mentioned in at least 4 threads. But no one ever points to the actuals.
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I think it's an urban legend.
I have had least 3 people tell me a ranger can have an eidolon and I've seen it mentioned in at least 4 threads. But no one ever points to the actuals.
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Unless they are referencing something in the Multiclass Archive Wiki, I am fairly sure that no such thing exists. I know that the MCA Wiki has at least one Ranger/Summoner archetype.
I've never heard of the Multiclass Archive Wiki. It is not third party material. I am 95% sure it is PFS legal and want to be 100% sure before I post it. (I cannot remember where Paizo has the 'what is accepted for PFS' list for Paizo books that are not the core 'Ultimate Combat' and 'Ultimate Magic' and such.)
http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
I've never heard of the Multiclass Archive Wiki. It is not third party material. I am 95% sure it is PFS legal and want to be 100% sure before I post it.And I'm absolutely sure that no such thing exists in any material authored by Paizo.
If such a thing were the case, you'd have seen a bunch of "Guide to the Ranger's Eidolon" threads by now.
That's kind of what I thought.
I totally respect you not giving her a free pass. The most vital part of games is that your actions have consequences- both positive and negative.
That said I think it's probably easier to make a custom animal than to fiddle around with eidolons.
The way I figured out is not PFS legal 8(
I have had least 3 people tell me a ranger can have an eidolon and I've seen it mentioned in at least 4 threads. But no one ever points to the actuals.
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Hmmm.... I wonder if there is another way to do it.
Pathfinder Player Companion: Knights of the Inner Sea
Cavalier Orders: all cavalier orders on pages 24-25 are legal for play; Equipment: all equipment on pages 30-31 are legal for play except war lance; Spells: all spells on pages 28-29 are legal for play; Traits: all traits in the book, except on pages 26-27, are legal for play
Squire (feat) ... Prerequisite: Character level 3rd, proficient with all martial weapons. (Ranger level 3 = check for both) ... A squire can only take levels in a class that grants proficiency with all martial weapons as a class feature (Synthesist Summoner with 2 ranks in Weapon Training: 4 of 5 points granted at level 1 = legal; check) ... If a squire gains enough XP to bring her to two levels lower than your level, the squire does not gain the new level until you gain your next level—until then her new XP total is 1 less than the amount needed to attain the next level and she gains no additional XP until you advance. (same (character level -3) that an animal companion for a Ranger would be)
The squire stays in eidolon form and responds just like an eidolon.
So, technically, not an eidolon. This is Paizo, not MCA.
"A squire can only take levels in a class that grants proficiency with all martial weapons as a class feature, such as paladin, gunslinger, cavalier, or fighter. She cannot multiclass, though she may take any archetype she qualifies for."
Last time I checked Summoner class does not grant martial weapon proficiency as a class feature. There are several ways to get martial weapon proficiency for any number of classes, but only a select few actually provide that proficiency as an inherent part of their class.
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I do not believe the evolution would count as it is like a step inbetween or a detour on the way there.
As synthesists are banned.for players, u suspect it would be banned as a squire in PFS.
I think leadership is banned in PFS, but they do allow vanities that are servants at least in some cases.
I also do not see a.list of feats being allowed, dud you accidentally cut and past the wring portion?
But thank you very much for digging this up and sharing!
At least my curiosity us satisfied:)