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Then perhaps you'd like to discuss it in the other thread. Maybe there you will address things I actually said rather than strawmen you think I implied.
Step 1) Blame the victim.
Step 2) Claim that your attack was purely a fantasy.Step 3) Profit??
I really don't know what you gain by continuing to deny that you were willfully denigrating someone attempting to shed light on campus sexual abuse.
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I don't even know what you are talking about, since the only thing I discussed there was falsification of statistics (documented fact). I do, however, have better things to do than try to defend myself against spurious accusations of "victim blaming" based on your misreading of my post in the other thread. Peace out.
So ...
Sterling is Jewish. Shall we explore the antisemitism, related to the original issue.
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Then perhaps you'd like to discuss it in the other thread. Maybe there you will address things I actually said rather than strawmen you think I implied.*snip*
I don't endorse everything he wrote in the other thread, but none of it sounded as over the top to me as it did to you. May I suggest that you are misinterpreting his tone?
Let's keep discussion of the other thread to the other thread.
On the other hand, GWL may be right on at least one aspect.
Perhaps it's time to end this type of conversation here at least.We have established to my satisfaction at least that GWL is not only wrong, but obdurately so. We have established that he does not feel that Sterling should be held to the terms of the contract he signed freely. We have established that GWL feels that Sterling should have the right to associate with anyone he likes, irrespective of their wish not to associate with him. We have established that, in GWL's opinion, a single act of misfeasance on the part of a single person should forever bar anyone else from taking any action against Sterling.
You satisfaction?
I asked a question, it was never answered and the conversation focused on something else. I didn't answer that question, and as far as I can tell, almost no one else answered, or in some instances, even discussed it. There was a lot of talk about other related items though. My questions though, and the moral quandary, were never really addressed in depth nor answered.
I WOULD appreciate it if you didn't misrepresent my statements or views.
Thank you for your contributions to the thread, but please, don't try to make things up about me.
I am happy for what you say, and what your own opinions are, but I ask that you don't try to make up what someone else has asked or stated for your own pleasure to put them down.
I WOULD appreciate if more than a few people actually had bothered to read my original post and discussed it, but I also understand why the conversation got sidetracked.
However, please do not try to strong arm something that you WANT me to have said but didn't, into some sort of strange...I'm not certain what it is, but I really don't like someone trying to say that I said things I did not.
I am only saddened that my own requests for opinions were not really ever discussed past a few posts in. My moral dilemma therefore was never really resolved here, though I HAVE gotten a great deal more answers on posts on various NBA forums...so it's not that terrible a dilemma any more as I've gotten opinions from others (and one who interestingly or not may be Mr. Silver himself).
I thank you once again for your contributions that added to the conversation, irregardless of whether or not it actually talked about my original post or not. I also thank you for any positive items you put into the thread.
Once again, I thank everyone who contributed in a positive manner to this thread.
I don't want people getting negative feelings or attacking others (as I have been attacked) in this thread any longer.
Thank you for your contributions, I also admit I probably should have kept these conversations more to an NBA forum instead of one of an off-topic forum for RPGs.
It WAS enlighting to a bit, even if no answers were gained in regards to the actual dilemma in regards to how the general public (outside of the NBA fanatics and those sorts which go to various NBA forums) on how they view the matter and what their focus is (as opposed to those that are more into the NBA itself...it is actually surprising how different the approaches are).
In that light, except for those posts which stooped to personal attacks, I thank EVEYONE who responded in this thread for their contributions and posts.
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On the other hand, GWL may be right on at least one aspect.
Perhaps it's time to end this type of conversation here at least.We have established to my satisfaction at least that GWL is not only wrong, but obdurately so. We have established that he does not feel that Sterling should be held to the terms of the contract he signed freely. We have established that GWL feels that Sterling should have the right to associate with anyone he likes, irrespective of their wish not to associate with him. We have established that, in GWL's opinion, a single act of misfeasance on the part of a single person should forever bar anyone else from taking any action against Sterling.
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I WOULD appreciate it if you didn't misrepresent my statements or views.
I didn't. But I understand that you want to distance yourself from a correct representation of them.
I am only saddened that my own requests for opinions were not really ever discussed past a few posts in.
Your request was discussed as recently as my own representation.
You are of the opinion that, because Sterling's comments were made "in private" and (potentially) taped illicitly, Sterling should not be "shamed publically" for those views, which is to say, uninvolved third parties cannot take action agains Sterling for them. You can't suggest that's not responsive to your OP -- those quotes are taken from the thread title.
But that's exactly what I said above. You are of the opinion that an act of misfeasance on the part of a single part should forever bar anyone else from taking any action against Sterling.
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My moral dilemma therefore was never really resolved here,
Sure it was. We literally spent like the entire last page going over it, and concluded very quickly that your "moral dilemma" is basically a sham; you have repeatedly refused to answer our questions addressing your moral dilemma (for instance, the question I asked of how you would react if your best friend taped your wife confessing to an affair), and continually accuse everyone who disagrees with you of misrepresenting your views.
You aren't interested in a discussion. You showed up under the flimsy pretense of asking a question only to throw a fit when people unanimously answered it in exactly the way you didn't want them to.
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Irregardless is not a word.
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Irregardless is not a word.
It's a perfectly cromulent word.
Irregardless is not a word.
It is according to Merriam-Webster. Which I find grotesque and incomprehensible, but there it is.
Without, without regard.
Seems legit.
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Sterling is Jewish. Shall we explore the antisemitism, related to the original issue.
So's Silver. So is Stern. So are half the owners.
Thank you for our weekly allowance of red herring.
Amar'e Stoudemire was in talks to play in Tel Aviv during the lockout, because of his Jewish ancestry.
Teams with Jewish owners:
Rockets
Heat
Clippers
Mavericks
Cavaliers
Bucks
Bulls
10 years ago there'd be at least 5-6 more on that list, but the owners died (most into their 80's or older).
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Now you're making up words. It's an epidemic.
Irregardless is not a word.As long as we're on the topic, neither is "publically". Although both meanings are clear by context.
Well, no, the word is publicly. The one you said is only not a word by virtue of it being misspelled. Similarly Folrida isn't a state.
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Most of the members of the group that owns the 76ers are Jewish, but I'm not really sure what any of that has to do with the price of gefilte fish in Jerusalem.So ...
Sterling is Jewish. Shall we explore the antisemitism, related to the original issue.
So's Silver. So is Stern. So are half the owners.
Thank you for our weekly allowance of red herring.
Amar'e Stoudemire was in talks to play in Tel Aviv during the lockout, because of his Jewish ancestry.
Teams with Jewish owners:
Rockets
Heat
Clippers
Mavericks
Cavaliers
Bucks
Bulls10 years ago there'd be at least 5-6 more on that list, but the owners died (most into their 80's or older).
Talking about antisemitism. We're mentioning how many owners are Jewish, because it's unlikely that the Jewish owners are voting out a Jewish owner for being Jewish.
...Similarly Folrida isn't a state.
It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.
I want to defend myself briefly. I am currently being attacked rather severely in regards to discrimination. We are not just talking statements, but physical attacks of various forms against me and property in regards to who I am. I have the very real effects of discrimination against me currently, severe enough that within the next month or two I'll be changing locations at least temporarily just to feel a bit safer over the few weeks (total move done in June, where we'll still have an address here, but I'll be elsewhere).
I want to express that because some in this thread have indicated rather absurd ideas in regard to what I am saying, expressing, or opinions I have.
I find it very infuriating that I, a victim of discrimination that is currently going on, have had people SOOO insensitive I this thread that they would try to put words into my mouth, try to say I had opinions I did not, and try to accuse me of racism.
I want to say, if they knew me and what was going on, I'd say the idea was actually rather absurd. I asked a question, anyone who thinks that I had formed a resolution to that from this thread is mistaken.
I also am saddened by those throwing support against people who want to "win" the thread in some of their more hurtful comments rather than looking at the situation.
I think many of the comments were particularly hurtful because of my situation. We've been robbed, vandalized, and mail has been stolen regularly...and then this...
I have tried extraordinarily to be calm here, and tried everything I know of without going into my personal life right now, but with HOW PERSONAL some of the attacks were above, and how hostile these boards seem to go...not for any logical reason...but all I can tell is either hate and/or cyberbullying and/or lynching someone they did not know nor who's situation they did not know and make accusations like they have...
I can just say it's reinforced the discrimination I've been having over the past two weeks in real life, and thus been so hurtful I don't even know what to say. I even expressed the situation to others in hopes that maybe they could help in modifying the posts that were more of a bullying and hostile manner so I could at least have some relief...but...as that is not happening, I at least want a chance to defend myself and explain WHY the comments in this thread are so hurtful.
As with when the other events have happened, all I wanted to do was scream and go into a rage...and I had a very similar thing with how this topic eventually evolved into a lynching me attitude, rather than anything else. I definitely stepped away a few times to try to gather myself with how angry it made me here...and finally after stuff this morning, decided perhaps if I simply explained the situation at least the people that would be good people in life would know how I really am and sympathize.
Whereas, I understand there will be others that will still be as they have been previously in the thread, as haters will hate.
Thank you for reading this, and hopefully this helps it so I am not as angry because I know that those who are are not filled with hate at least hopefully can understand who I am, and use it as an override to those who have been trying to use either the "I want to win the internets" statements or hatred (it could be this instead).
What is happening in real life, if I may ask? Would this be better to discuss in PMs?
GWL, you have my sympathy for whatever situation is going on in your real world life, and I hope you manage to deal with it as you best see fit.
However, if you're in a situation where you can't participate in a message board discussion without it dredging up feelings of victimization, that probably means you should stay away from such discussions until the situation in your real life is settled.
GWL, you have my sympathy for whatever situation is going on in your real world life, and I hope you manage to deal with it as you best see fit.
However, if you're in a situation where you can't participate in a message board discussion without it dredging up feelings of victimization, that probably means you should stay away from such discussions until the situation in your real life is settled.
Sorry, but I have to point out the irony of this. He's a victim of vicious attacks in his real life, so now he should suffer self-ostracization?
Grey - I'm very sorry to hear (even the vague version of) what you've been going through. I hope that you'll soon be somewhere safe from all that, and able to put it all behind you.
Meantime, I very much hope that now you've shared this with us, the community here can step up and be a support, rather than an added burden, to you.
I wasn't suggesting self-ostracism, I was suggesting not partaking in conversations that make you feel bad. To (yet again) quote Samuel R. Delany, "Man, he can say whatever he wants, he just has to be ready to listen afterwards."
...Similarly Folrida isn't a state.It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.
Please reread what I said precisely.
I'm sure you'll see where you are in error.
...Similarly Folrida isn't a state.It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.Please reread what I said precisely.
I'm sure you'll see where you are in error.
I actually think he may have read it correctly. This is Florida we're talking about, after all.
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I actually think he may have read it correctly. This is Florida we're talking about, after all....Similarly Folrida isn't a state.It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.Please reread what I said precisely.
I'm sure you'll see where you are in error.
Indeed. It was a comment on Florida's "breathtaking" educational system.
But "he", Scott? Ooo, that's a paddlin'.
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I actually think he may have read it correctly. This is Florida we're talking about, after all....Similarly Folrida isn't a state.It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.Please reread what I said precisely.
I'm sure you'll see where you are in error.Indeed. It was a comment on Florida's "breathtaking" educational system.
But "he", Scott? Ooo, that's a paddlin'.
My apologies? You slaadi aren't exactly the most sexually dimorphic.
I actually think he may have read it correctly. This is Florida we're talking about, after all....Similarly Folrida isn't a state.It is to a not-insignificant minority of Floridians.Please reread what I said precisely.
I'm sure you'll see where you are in error.Indeed. It was a comment on Florida's "breathtaking" educational system.
But "he", Scott? Ooo, that's a paddlin'.
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