I don't see any way that this can work, sorry.
Duelist requires the weapon to be a melee weapon.
Bows are held in one hand, but take two to wield. They actually work with bucklers in a special way because of it.
If a ranges weapon is not some other type of weapon (like a melee weapon you can throw) then it's neither a light or 1 handed weapon its a ranged weapon.
I would argue for the Light Crossbow, since it has Light in the name
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And a hand crossbow lets you use your unarmed strike damage. : D
/I can see the Munchkin card now....
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A quick look at the two weapon fighting section under combat tells us: Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.
So there are instances when ranged weapons can be counted as one handed or light. There are also several one handed or light melee piercing weapons that can be thrown. Such as short spears, daggers, stakes, tridenta, starknives, etc.
The categories of light, and one-handed are for the purpose of using in melee. For ranged attacks they are just ranged attacks.
The categories of light, and one-handed are for the purpose of using in melee. For ranged attacks they are just ranged attacked.
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The categories of light, and one-handed are for the purpose of using in melee. For ranged attacks they are just ranged attacks.
Unless you're using two weapon fighting to throw more?
For throwing the distinction matters especially two-handed. Most weapons designed for throwing are going to be considered light weapons. There isn't an official ruling for each weapon or anything, but I recall a post by JJ where he seemed to feel that the distinction was whether or not you could use a particular item two-handed (the question came up on the issue of chakra). If a weapon couldn't be used two-handed then it should be considered a light weapon.
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The categories of light, and one-handed are for the purpose of using in melee. For ranged attacks they are just ranged attacks.
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Most weapons designed for throwing are going to be considered light weapons.
No rule states that.
The duelist precise strike use of "light or one handed" is short hand for melee weapon. Go to Core p142 and look at Simple Weapons table. You see Unarmed Attacks, Light Melee Weapons, One-Handed Melee Weapons, Two-Handed Melee Weapons, and Ranged Weapons.
On the previous page it says "Melee weapons are used for making melee attacks, though some of them can be thrown as well. Ranged weapons are thrown weapons or projectile weapons that are not effective in melee."
Between those two it is crystal clear that the concept of a light or one-handed weapon requires the concept of a melee weapon used for a melee attack.
Thrown weapons can be considered one handed or light based on the rules for two weapon fighting with thrown weapons.
Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.
I would probably just count any light melee weapon with a range increment as a light throwing weapon as well. Weapons besides the ones listed, you'll have to use your best judgment to determine whether they are light or one-handed.
Most weapons designed for throwing are going to be considered light weapons.No rule states that.
This is not a rule so much as an observation.
In ultimate equipment there are 10 light weapons than can be thrown, 5 one handed weapons, and 3 two-handed weapons. So of those definitely this is true.
Under "ranged weapons" there are 11 weapons that I see that are thrown. You need to make judgment calls for them but most of those are light. They often have special rules for using them in melee.
This is how it breaks down for me:
The ones that are light:
Dart
Javelin (could be one-handed but probably light)
Chakram (JJ took this position)
Hunga Munga
Bolas
Rope Dart
Shuriken
Throwing Shield (if it is a light shield)
The ones that are one-handed
Pilum (since it is described as a "heavy javelin")
Boomerang (probably counts as a club in melee)
Throwing Shield (if it is a heavy shield)
The ones that are two-handed (probably)
Net (and snag net)
Your GM might rule you can use a net one-handed though.
Make sure you check with your GM about his opinion about items that are listed as "ranged" but are thrown weapons.
Peet
A quick look at the two weapon fighting section under combat tells us: Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.
So there are instances when ranged weapons can be counted as one handed or light. There are also several one handed or light melee piercing weapons that can be thrown. Such as short spears, daggers, stakes, tridenta, starknives, etc.
So you could TWF with a sling and darts, because after you've thrown your dart the hand is free to reload the sling and drawing a new dart is free because it is considered ammo.
@umbranus - I'm pretty sure that you can't do an operation that requires 2 hands (loading a sling) and pulling out a dart (which would require another hand) at the same time.
And as far as I can find, darts are treated like any other thrown weapon, unless you have some special feature that changes that. If you are using kestros darts, they are ammo, of course, but you need a kestros to throw them. Same with atlatl darts.
Perhaps I mixed those up. Then it would only work with sling + shuriken.