Quick question.
I play Lini
I throw away a card to get a d10 on my strength
I throw down Blessing of Gorum which adds 2 dice to a strength check
is that a 3d10's
or
1d10 & 2d4's
I have been playing it as 3d10's
I have also played this as 3d10, because the d10 replaces your d4 strength die for the check. Since you add to the die being rolled, and since for the combat your d4 is replaced by a d10, I believe that the way you and I have been playing it is correct.
Yes, it would be 3d10s. She also gets any skill feats she has in Strength. Her power is a "Play cards and use powers that affect the check" kind of power. And she does all that before she picks up the actual dice (though you might start picking them up as you think about what you are doing).
Here is how Lini's powers work while attempting a check.
Attempting a Check
Determine which die you’re using.
Determine the difficulty.
Play cards and use powers that affect the check (optional).
Assemble your dice.
Attempt the roll.
Take damage if you fail a check to defeat a monster.
Here is how Lini goes through it, if she's just going to use strength for a combat 8 check and plans to discard a card. She also wants to reveal an ally. We'll also pretend a fellow adventurer will play a Blessing of Gorum to help her. Lets pretend she has a +1 as a strength feat.
Determine which die you’re using.
She is going to use strength. It doesn't matter what the size of the die is yet.
Determine the difficulty.
Its 8.
Play cards and use powers that affect the check (optional).
Lini reveals her animal ally. Lini discards a card (which can be the same animal ally and is now back in here hand because of the definition of reveal) to activate her "strength of a bear" power. Lets pretend we still don't what size the die is yet, because it still doesn't matter at this point. Someone plays a Blessing of Gorum.
Assemble your dice.
Now Lini looks down and sees that, because of the power she used, she has a d10 for strength now. So she picks up a d10. She grabs a d4 for revealing that animal ally. And someone played that Blessing of Gorum, so she grabs 2 more d10s because that is her strength die now.
Attempt the roll.
She rolls the 3d10 + 1d4 and gets a 7. She also now has to "add any modifiers that apply to the check." Well, she has a strength feat modifier of +1, and she "determined her die" as strength back at the beginning of this, so she adds that and gets an 8. Yay!
Take damage if you fail a check to defeat a monster.
She doesn't need to take damage because she did not fail.
So you don't need to know the size of the die until you assemble your dice. And you add modifiers that apply after you roll.
As always, Hawk will come in and give a much better explanation. Hehe. Thank you for the followup. I knew that was the case, I just don't have the rule exactly mapped out.
Also, a 7 on 3d10 +1d4 is a pretty terrible roll.
When I come a cross a problem that I can not solve. I google the question. so this is so that my Lini friends will have a place to search. Thanks you everyone for your response.
As always, Hawk will come in and give a much better explanation. Hehe. Thank you for the followup. I knew that was the case, I just don't have the rule exactly mapped out.
Also, a 7 on 3d10 +1d4 is a pretty terrible roll.
I've come to the conclusion that Hawk is either a computer AI at Paizo headquarters designed to answer questions on the forums, or an alias account for all the Paizo folks to use when they want to answer questions anonymously! ;-)
As for the 7 on 3d10+1d4... that sounds like one of my typical rolls. Remember; I had the epic fail thread with my 5d10=6 roll! I've gotten to the point where I won't roll until my minimum roll is enough to make the check! (Well, not really. But I sure do roll crap a lot.)
As always, Hawk will come in and give a much better explanation. Hehe. Thank you for the followup. I knew that was the case, I just don't have the rule exactly mapped out.
Also, a 7 on 3d10 +1d4 is a pretty terrible roll.
I've come to the conclusion that Hawk is either a computer AI at Paizo headquarters designed to answer questions on the forums, or an alias account for all the Paizo folks to use when they want to answer questions anonymously! ;-)
As for the 7 on 3d10+1d4... that sounds like one of my typical rolls. Remember; I had the epic fail thread with my 5d10=6 roll! I've gotten to the point where I won't roll until my minimum roll is enough to make the check! (Well, not really. But I sure do roll crap a lot.)
I am almost the opposite. I use the Pathfinder ACG stats app, and if I am over 60%, I consider that decent enough, unless I am up against a villain, then I like a little more insurance. Hehe.
Lini reveals her animal ally. Lini discards a card (which can be the same animal ally and is now back in here hand because of the definition of reveal) to activate her "strength of a bear" power. Lets pretend we still don't what size the die is yet, because it still doesn't matter at this point. Someone plays a Blessing of Gorum.
Is this right? I am not seeing it reading the rules. The section on reveal says you show it and then put it back into your hand. Certainly I don't see any problem then discarding it to increase her die to 1d10 but I am not seeing how you fit that in between the reveal and return section of using the ally power. I would be happy to be proved wrong as it would make her much easier to play.
Edit: I may have misread what you are saying. Yes she can discard the ally in order to boost her strength or dex even after having revealed for her bonus d4 but it still ends up being discarded. Is this right?
Yes, she does have to discard whatever card it is she uses for her "Strength of a Bear" d10 power, even if it is an animal ally. She can't recharge the animal ally because her power requires her to be "playing" an animal ally to recharge it, and playing a card means activating something on the card. She isn't activating anything on the card when she uses it for her d10 power, so she isn't playing it. And since she isn't playing it, she can't recharge it.
I hope that helps.
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Lini reveals her animal ally. Lini discards a card (which can be the same animal ally and is now back in her hand because of the definition of reveal) to activate her "strength of a bear" power. Lets pretend we still don't what size the die is yet, because it still doesn't matter at this point. Someone plays a Blessing of Gorum.
Is this right? I am not seeing it reading the rules. The section on reveal says you show it and then put it back into your hand. Certainly I don't see any problem then discarding it to increase her die to 1d10 but I am not seeing how you fit that in between the reveal and return section of using the ally power. I would be happy to be proved wrong as it would make her much easier to play.
Edit: I may have misread what you are saying. Yes she can discard the ally in order to boost her strength or dex even after having revealed for her bonus d4 but it still ends up being discarded. Is this right?
Yes, she does have to discard whatever card it is she uses for her "Strength of a Bear" d10 power, even if it is an animal ally. She can't recharge the animal ally because her power requires her to be "playing" an animal ally to recharge it, and playing a card means activating something on the card. She isn't activating anything on the card when she uses it for her d10 power, so she isn't playing it. And since she isn't playing it, she can't recharge it.
I hope that helps.
Yes, I read it the same way initially, but I think the bit that was confusing me a little was the "...and is now back in her hand because of the definition of reveal" part. I think the intended meaning was that it was back in the hand after revealing, not after discarding.
Ah yeah. That could have been clearer. I should have said "Which can be the same animal ally because she only revealed it before, which means it is back in her hand for her to discard now."
That would probably have been clearer. Sorry for the confusion.