| Sarrah |
Can a level 1 Gendarme (Cavalier Archetype) take Spirited Charge as their level 1 bonus feat without meeting the prerequisites of Spirited Charge?
Feat: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#_spirited-charge
"Prerequisites: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack."
Archetype: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/classArchetypes/cavalier. html
"Bonus Feats: A gendarme trains to be a mounted terror, almost to the exclusion of all other abilities. He gains bonus feats at 1st level, 5th level, and then every three levels thereafter, but must select these bonus feats from the following list: Improved Bull Rush, Mounted Combat, Power Attack, Ride-By Attack, Spirited Charge, Spring Attack, and Unseat. If the gendarme has already selected all of the listed feats, then he may select his bonus feats from those feats listed as combat feats. This ability replaces tactician, greater tactician, master tactician, and the standard cavalier's selection of bonus feats."
| Pupsocket |
Nothing in the ability specifies that you can ignore prerequisites.
Compare Monk:
Compare Ranger:At 1st level, 2nd level, and every 4 levels thereafter, a monk may select a bonus feat. These feats must be taken from the following list:
Catch Off-Guard, Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Improved Grapple, Scorpion Style, and Throw Anything.
At 6th level, the following feats are added to the list:
Gorgon's Fist, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Disarm, Improved Feint, Improved Trip, and Mobility.
At 10th level, the following feats are added to the list:
Improved Critical, Medusa's Wrath, Snatch Arrows, and Spring Attack.
A monk need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them.
Compare Fighter:At 2nd level, a ranger must select one combat style to pursue. The choices depend on if the Advanced Player's Guide is being used.
If Core Rules only: archery or two-weapon combat.
If Advanced Player's Guide allowed: crossbow, mounted combat, natural weapon, two-handed weapon, and weapon and shield).
The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
At 1st level, and at every even level thereafter, a fighter gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement (meaning that the fighter gains a feat at every level). These bonus feats must be selected from those listed as Combat Feats, sometimes also called “fighter bonus feats.”
Upon reaching 4th level, and every four levels thereafter (8th, 12th, and so on), a fighter can choose to learn a new bonus feat in place of a bonus feat he has already learned. In effect, the fighter loses the bonus feat in exchange for the new one. The old feat cannot be one that was used as a prerequisite for another feat, prestige class, or other ability. A fighter can only change one feat at any given level and must choose whether or not to swap the feat at the time he gains a new bonus feat for the level.
Note how it's NOT specified that the Fighter needs to qualify for his bonus feats, because that's the default state.
| HaraldKlak |
The answer is no.
He must meet the prerequisites of having Mounted Combat and Ride-by-Attack.
Bonus feats always has to meet prerequisites, unless the class specifically writes: "A xxx need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them." (For example ranger and monk).
| Sarrah |
Nothing in the ability specifies that you can ignore prerequisites.
Compare Monk:
Quote:Compare Ranger:At 1st level, 2nd level, and every 4 levels thereafter, a monk may select a bonus feat. These feats must be taken from the following list:
Catch Off-Guard, Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Improved Grapple, Scorpion Style, and Throw Anything.
At 6th level, the following feats are added to the list:
Gorgon's Fist, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Disarm, Improved Feint, Improved Trip, and Mobility.
At 10th level, the following feats are added to the list:
Improved Critical, Medusa's Wrath, Snatch Arrows, and Spring Attack.
A monk need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select them.
Quote:Compare Fighter:At 2nd level, a ranger must select one combat style to pursue. The choices depend on if the Advanced Player's Guide is being used.
If Core Rules only: archery or two-weapon combat.
If Advanced Player's Guide allowed: crossbow, mounted combat, natural weapon, two-handed weapon, and weapon and shield).
The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.Quote:...At 1st level, and at every even level thereafter, a fighter gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement (meaning that the fighter gains a feat at every level). These bonus feats must be selected from those listed as Combat Feats, sometimes also called “fighter bonus feats.”
Upon reaching 4th level, and every four levels thereafter (8th, 12th, and so on), a fighter can choose to learn a new bonus feat in place of a bonus feat he has already learned. In effect, the fighter loses the bonus feat in exchange for the new one. The old feat cannot be one that was used as a prerequisite for another feat, prestige class, or other ability. A fighter can only change one feat at
I see Wizard
"At 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th level, a wizard gains a bonus feat. At each such opportunity, he can choose a metamagic feat, an item creation, or Spell Mastery. The wizard must still meet all prerequisites for a bonus feat, including caster level minimums. These bonus feats are in addition to the feats that a character of any class gets from advancing levels. The wizard is not limited to the categories of Item Creation Feats, Metamagic Feats, or Spell Mastery when choosing those feats."and Sorcerer
"At 7th level, and every six levels thereafter, a sorcerer receives one bonus feat, chosen from a list specific to each bloodline. The sorcerer must meet the prerequisites for these bonus feats."
and Ninja (Style Master Ninja Trick)
"Style Master: A ninja who selects this ninja trick gains a style feat that she qualifies for as a bonus feat.'
and Magus
"At 5th level, and every six levels thereafter, a magus gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be selected from those listed as combat, item creation, or metamagic feats. He must meet the prerequisites for these feats as normal."
All of these explicitly state they must follow the prerequisites.
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If a class does not explicitly state whether prerequisites are required or not required to acquire bonus feats listed under the classes bonus feats option, then must these classes have the prerequisites to acquire these bonus feats?
| Pupsocket |
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Do you guys and gals know where (which book - around the page number) the bonus feat description is that says 'if the class' bonus feats do not explicitly state whether bonus feats have or do not have to follow prerequisites - that they must follow the prerequisites'?
No such rule exists, and it's not necessary. There's a rule that prerequisites must be met when choosing a feat, and you'd need to have an exception to that rule in order to ignore prerequisites.
Your Wizard example implies the existence of a "bonus feat exception", but that implication is shot down by the Fighter, Monk, Ranger situation.
| Cap. Darling |
Sarrah wrote:Do you guys and gals know where (which book - around the page number) the bonus feat description is that says 'if the class' bonus feats do not explicitly state whether bonus feats have or do not have to follow prerequisites - that they must follow the prerequisites'?No such rule exists, and it's not necessary. There's a rule that prerequisites must be met when choosing a feat, and you'd need to have an exception to that rule in order to ignore prerequisites.
Your Wizard example implies the existence of a "bonus feat exception", but that implication is shot down by the Fighter, Monk, Ranger situation.
Had this not been the case then the fighter would have had some insane starting options:)