Maximized Black Tentacles

[Cao Phen]

Maximized Spell wrote:

All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables.

Black Tentacles wrote:

This spell causes a field of rubbery black tentacles to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.

Every creature within the area of the spell is the target of a combat maneuver check made to grapple each round at the beginning of your turn, including the round that black tentacles is cast. Creatures that enter the area of effect are also automatically attacked. The tentacles do not provoke attacks of opportunity. When determining the tentacles' CMB, the tentacles use your caster level as their base attack bonus and receive a +4 bonus due to their Strength and a +1 size bonus. Roll only once for the entire spell effect each round and apply the result to all creatures in the area of effect.

If the tentacles succeed in grappling a foe, that foe takes 1d6+4 points of damage and gains the grappled condition. Grappled opponents cannot move without first breaking the grapple. All other movement is prohibited unless the creature breaks the grapple first. The black tentacles spell receives a +5 bonus on grapple checks made against opponents it is already grappling, but cannot move foes or pin foes. Each round that black tentacles succeeds on a grapple check, it deals an additional 1d6+4 points of damage. The CMD of black tentacles, for the purposes of escaping the grapple, is equal to 10 + its CMB.

The tentacles created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the tentacles last.

If I cast a Maximized Black Tentacles, would both damage rolls and CMB check be maximized, resulting in 10 damage and a CMB of 20+CL+5?

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

Cao Phen wrote:

If I cast a Maximized Black Tentacles, would both damage rolls and CMB check be maximized, resulting in 10 damage and a CMB of 20+CL+5?

For the 10 damage, I'd say for sure. But consider a Ray attack (or flame blade). If you Maximize it, you get max damage, but you don't get a Natural 20 on your to-hit just given to you. I would make the same argument here for the CMB roll.

[LazarX]

No. Empower and Maximise only affect the dice variables of the spell themselves, not checks made with the spell.

There is no such variable to affect in the spell, so neither feat would be of any use.

Outside of mythic, the only way to boost the spell, would be to raise your effective caster level with it.

[Cao Phen]

Ok, thanks for the help. Widen Black Tentacles it is. =)

[Charender]

For reference if Black Tentacles had something like "creates 2d8 tentacles", then maximize WOULD maximize the number of tentacles created.

[Xaratherus]

Charender wrote:

For reference if Black Tentacles had something like "creates 2d8 tentacles", then maximize WOULD maximize the number of tentacles created.

Agreed.

[Jeff Clem]

You can maximize a fireball which does damage for example, so why not black Black Tentacles? If the damage was a straight numeric value like 10 damage then I would agree no, but since the there's a die roll 1d6 plus 4 then in should be maxed.

[Zhayne]

The damage would be maximized, sure.

The attack rolls made by the tentacles would not.

[Jeff Clem]

Zhayne wrote:

The damage would be maximized, sure.

The attack rolls made by the tentacles would not.

Agree!!!

[Zhayne]

Holy crap.

Could you imagine if that worked? Imagine summoners with every monster critting on every attack.

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

If it worked this way, then Empower would rock even more, roll a 16 to hit, and Empower makes it a 24!

[DarkSpooder]

I am going to be the guy who defends black tentacles.
One, the cmb be check is not the PC making the check it is the tentacles making the check which is an effect of black tectancles.
Two, this is NOT summoning it is creation, so it isn't summoned creature, and it does not have a creature type or any subtypes, it has an ambitious strength and size bonus.
Three, an attack roll is not an opposed check or a saving throw
An opposed check is where one creature is trying to beat another roll.

[JohnHawkins]

Black tentacles is not a necromantic effect so I am not sure why you need to use necromancy on the thread.
Also what were you trying to communicate I have read your post and cannot tell what point you were actually trying to make