Elemental Spell


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Silver Crusade

Hey PF people,

I'm a draconic(bronze:electricity)sorcerer. Bloodline Arcana is

Whenever you cast a spell with an energy descriptor(mines lightning) that matches your draconic bloodline's energy type, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled.

So when, for example, i cast fireball with elemental spell metamagic feat on it to change it to lightning, would i get the extra damage?

Thanks
Primus


Elemental Spell (Metamagic)

You can manipulate the elemental nature of your spells.

Benefit: Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell’s normal damage with that energy type or split the spell’s damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type.

Level Increase: +1 (an elemental spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell’s actual level.)

Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you must choose a different energy type.

At no point does it change the descriptor, so no. On the flip side it lets you change a lightning spell to fire and you keep all your bonus's. This is different from elemental focus, as that specifies only the elements damage type, not descriptor.

Silver Crusade

Darnit. That is pretty retarded, and near useless in my opinion because electricity is not commonly resisted, but there arent alot of lightning spells. although i guess chain lightning is the wrecker there cause loads of +1s on it.

Thanks anyway

Primus


Electricity is the second best blast element after fire. Lightning bolt is not as good as fireball, but ball lightning, arc lightning, chain lightning, and shocking grasp are arguably better than their fire level-equivalents. Besides, it's cooler.


crossblooded (elemental air + bronze draconic) archetype would work. Elemental bloodline arcana says: "Whenever you cast a spell that deals energy damage, you can change the type of damage to match the type of your bloodline. This also changes the spell's type to match the type of your bloodline." So, not only would you be able to change a fireball into electricity, but the descriptor changes as well.

I think that may be the only way to accomplish it. Elemental Spell wouldn't work, as Glutton pointed out.


Also, speak with you GM. Your GM may allow you to learn a variant of the spell using Electricity rather than the existing element.
Elemental Spell means you can turn a Fireball into a Lightning Ball, and effectively have 2 spells with one Known slot - hence the spell level tax. If your GM lets your learn Lightning Ball directly, you lose the flexibility of more than one energy type available you, but you have an Electricity variant of the traditional Fireball.

This can accomplished with the Spell Research rules; however, I, and every GM I've talked with or played with, wouldn't even require that much work to just change an element type.


While you might not gain the extra damage it is still extremely useful to have an Elemental Spell metamagic feat to avoid energy resistance or immunity. You are specialised in lightning based attacks. Demons for example are largely immune to electricity. If you take Elemental Spell (cold) you can change your electrical attacks into dealing cold damage but retain the bloodline arcana bonus damage. That way you ignore their immunity and gain the benefits of your specialisation.


Hmm...

While it doesn't explicitly change the descriptor, I would allow it.
In my mind, if a spell no longer does fire damage, it is no longer a [fire] spell.

Honestly, until Glutton's interpretation of the feat, I would have never considered a spell to NOT get the descriptor of the energy you change your spell to.

Your mileage may vary, but I would discuss it with your DM if you have questions.

Very Respectfully,
--Bacon


Better_with_Bacon wrote:

Hmm...

While it doesn't explicitly change the descriptor, I would allow it.
In my mind, if a spell no longer does fire damage, it is no longer a [fire] spell.

Honestly, until Glutton's interpretation of the feat, I would have never considered a spell to NOT get the descriptor of the energy you change your spell to.

Your mileage may vary, but I would discuss it with your DM if you have questions.

Very Respectfully,
--Bacon

I agree. Although, if this is for PFS, he is unfortunately out of luck most likely, as Glutton's post would be the one used. But, if this is a non PFS game, talk to the GM to see if he would allow it.

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