Yet another Paladin thread...


Advice


All the paladin threads popping up made me want to actually try and make one. This is what I came up with.

20 Point Buy

lvl 3 Human Paladin
Oath of Charity/Sacred Servant of Lymnieris

Domain: Community

Str 10
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 16 (+2)

1) Fey Foundling, Dodge
3) Extra Lay on Hands

Went with Community so that I could eventually use the Unity domain power that lets the party use my saves instead of their own. Oath of Charity will also let me pick and choose mercies at the start of each day. Chose Lymnieris for RP reasons, the Community domain was an added bonus.

Standard traits for now.

I am open to suggestions; any advice on making this better would be appreciated. I was contemplating a 10, 14, 14, 12, 8, 16 array... but I wasn't sure that I wanted a wisdom penalty with this.


*Shameless bump*

Shadow Lodge

Your shamelss bump causes you to trip, and like yet another paladin, fall.


Conman the Bardbarian wrote:
Your shamelss bump causes you to trip, and like yet another paladin, fall.

Curses! Hopefully I can take others with me on the way down.


I don't know, just this talk alone of him sharing his saves with the party is grounds for falling. I mean his god is nice enough to grant him divine protection, and he starts giving it out to any do-gooder who comes along. Who is he to portion his saves out to other people without his gods consent. This is definitely a fallen paladin if you ask me.


Sub_Zero wrote:

I don't know, just this talk alone of him sharing his saves with the party is grounds for falling. I mean his god is nice enough to grant him divine protection, and he starts giving it out to any do-gooder who comes along. Who is he to portion his saves out to other people without his gods consent. This is definitely a fallen paladin if you ask me.

This made me laugh. That said, I am still looking for suggestions. I was thinking I'd hold off on the Extra Mercies feat because the first community domain power removes all three of the starting conditions you can chose from.


So, math:
Total healing from LoH, with Extra LoH: 7 x 1d6 = 7d6
Total healing from LoH, with Greater Mercy: 5 x 2d6 = 10d6

Consider a dip into Life Oracle (1 level is enough) for the Life Link Revelation. Turns you into a divine HP battery.

Liberty's Edge

Some sort of offense when not smiting seems warranted. Dunno what form that would take, but it seems like a necessary thing.

Personally, I'd Go Str 14, Dex 12, Con 13 instead of the physical stats listed.


Guess what you don't need a lot of as a pally? CON! Lay on hands is a swift action.

My array for your 20 point buy

str 16 (+2)
dex 12
con 12
int 8
wis 8
cha 16

or

str 16 (+2)
dex 12
con 10
int 10
wis 8
cha 16


Justin Sane wrote:

So, math:

Total healing from LoH, with Extra LoH: 7 x 1d6 = 7d6
Total healing from LoH, with Greater Mercy: 5 x 2d6 = 10d6

Consider a dip into Life Oracle (1 level is enough) for the Life Link Revelation. Turns you into a divine HP battery.

I like this idea. I was going for less combat oriented and more remove conditions. The GM whose table I'd play this character on is my brother... who has a fondness for undead and throwing out conditions. It is really my way of a) playing a new class, b) hopefully continuing the fine art of brotherly trolling.

Marthkus wrote:

str 16 (+2)
dex 12
con 10
int 10
wis 8
cha 16

That arrary looks interesting. What if we swap the str and dex and go with a ranged weapon?

Edit: Only problem I'd have with Life Link would be Oath of Charity's Charitable Hands ability. +50% healing via LoH on targets other than the paladin, while -50% healing via LoH when used on the Paladin.


Verteidiger wrote:
Marthkus wrote:

str 16 (+2)
dex 12
con 10
int 10
wis 8
cha 16

That arrary looks interesting. What if we swap the str and dex and go with a ranged weapon?

Archer Paladin archetype

str 14
dex 15 (+2)
con 10
int 8
wis 8
cha 16

Archers require decent strength for good damage (composite longbow). You also need a decent strength score to carry your armor and weapons.


Archery requires a ton of feats and Paladins don't get any bonus. I'm not a fan of Divine Hunter because other than the bonus feat, every class feature tradeoff is a downgrade. And it locks you out of good archetypes like Oath of Vengeance and Sacred Servant.

Shadow Lodge

Line that WIS stat up against a wall and shoot it.

STR:14
DEX:12
CON:14
INT:14
WIS:07
CHA+17 (all bumps)

This is your classic lead-by-the-chin heavy armor build who also gets *5* skills points a level for Ride, Sense Motive, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and grab bag (don't neglect a rank for Swim).

A variant starts with STR:15 (bump 4th) and CHA+16 (other bumps); it's stronger earlier, but as you tuck levels away, charisma steadily ramps in importance as it powers almost everything in the paladin's bag of tricks.


Verteidiger wrote:
Edit: Only problem I'd have with Life Link would be Oath of Charity's Charitable Hands ability. +50% healing via LoH on targets other than the paladin, while -50% healing via LoH when used on the Paladin.

Yeah, it really doesn't work that well with Oath of Charity. Then again, are you sure you want to miss out on Divine Bond? If it's for Charitable Mercy, consider getting a Merciful Baldric instead. EDIT: Merciful Vambraces may be a cheaper alternative.

PS: The more I think about it, the worse Charitable Hands seems to me. I mean, one of the Paladin's strong points is his self-healing, which you are further propping up with Fey Foundling. It's much more efficient to just heal them with Life Link (standard action to link, immediate action to drop, free action to heal) and then topping yourself off with LoH.


Justin Sane wrote:
Verteidiger wrote:
Edit: Only problem I'd have with Life Link would be Oath of Charity's Charitable Hands ability. +50% healing via LoH on targets other than the paladin, while -50% healing via LoH when used on the Paladin.

Yeah, it really doesn't work that well with Oath of Charity. Then again, are you sure you want to miss out on Divine Bond? If it's for Charitable Mercy, consider getting a Merciful Baldric instead. EDIT: Merciful Vambraces may be a cheaper alternative.

PS: The more I think about it, the worse Charitable Hands seems to me. I mean, one of the Paladin's strong points is his self-healing, which you are further propping up with Fey Foundling. It's much more efficient to just heal them with Life Link (standard action to link, immediate action to drop, free action to heal) and then topping yourself off with LoH.

I really only liked Oath of Charity for Charitable Mercy. Going to go with your life oracle dip suggestion. I'll ditch Oath of Charity in favor of one of those items.

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