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Fast learner is not worth it, just take the skills per level, you have plenty of HP from LoH (which, even trading (2?) for a smite you will have plenty of.
at most take 12 int for that +1 skill point.
go angel kin Aasimar (+2str+cha) means no second level feat.
drop wis to an 8 for the points you would need for 12 int.
stat line looks like this after racials
Str:18
Dex:10 (12 here if you don't want the INT)
Con:14
Int:12
Wis:8
Cha:16
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I've been building a paladin as well.
I found out this morning that Tieflings actually get what appears to be the paladin favoured class bonus - an additional use of lay on hands per point. Tieflings. As paladins. "Stained with the blood of fiends".
Anyway, I refuse to make a tiefling and I'm loathe to make an aasimar, much preferring a core race like yourself. I took Fey Foundling, but I was also considering several additions on Extra Lay On Hands if I can afford the feats, but I suspect that might be tricky.
Dangerously Curious (trait) is worth seriously considering for your UMD considering you're a high-cha character.
If you just want to know if what you've got is viable in PFS, it is. Dreadful Carnage is in the Advanced Player's Guide, not the Core Rulebook, so you'll need that book if you want to take it. You might want to consider Dazzling Display (and Weapon Focus) as an alternative. Greater Mercy is in Ultimate Magic.
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Going to put in my Build advice.
Go either Human or Aaismar
Human Build
Level 4 & 8: Cha
Traits: Magical Knack
Finding Haleen: (Fast Learner in trait form) +1 HP and +1 Skill per level
Number of skills Per level: 4
Archetype: Oathbound Paladin: Oath of Vengeance
Weapon Bond
Feats
1.Power Attack
1. Cleave (Retrain @ 6 for Cornugon Smash
3. Furious Focus
5. Extra Lay On Hands
7. Vital Strike (I like it for skirmishing cause you will be moving a lot) (anything you want really)
9. Improved Critical
11. Dreadful Carnage
Aaismar Build
Angle Blooded Aaismar
Str: 18 Dex: 12 Con:14 Int:12 Wis:7 Cha: 16
Level 4 & 8: Cha Level 12 into Wisdom For a better will save
Traits: Magical Knack
Finding Haleen: (Fast Learner in trait form) +1 HP and +1 Skill per level
Number of skills Per level: 4
Achetype: Oathbound Paladin: Oath of Vengeance
Weapon Bond
Feats
1.Power Attack
3. Weapon Focus- (Retrain Furious Focus Before Level 11)
5. Extra Lay On Hands
7. Cornugon Smash
9. Improved Critical
11. Dreadful Carnage
I recommend Just Cross-Classing the Intimidate skill. It will leave you with 2 skills a level to put into Whatever you want.
But that's my 2 cents on making a 2-handed beat stick paladin. Good luck and Have fun most important.
May I recommend Extremely Fashionable as a trait, as it gives +1 on both Intimidate and Diplomacy, and gives Intimidate as a class skill. It is from Ultimate Equipment I believe.
If you care about skills, go human.
For stats, you can buy in at 15/10/14/14/8/16 for even more skilly goodness. Use all ability points in STR. Including FCB, that's 6 skills/level. Should be plenty.
Good skills to focus on are Diplomacy, Intimidate, Sense Motive, and Perception. The other 2 skills per level can be spread out among your other various class skills including knowledges.
As far as feats go, an Intimidate build without Cornugon Smash should really be using the Dazzling Display and Shatter Defenses feats.
For combat, I recommend Sword and Board, since you will not be getting the real benefits of a two handed weapon's damage because you don't have an 18+ STR, and your DEX isn't granting you any AC either.
Good feats to look at are Weapon Focus (1st), Dazzling Display (1st), Power Attack (3rd), Unsanctioned Knowledge (5th), Shatter Defenses (7th), Extra Lay on Hands (9th), and Dreadful Carnage (11th).
@master_marshmallow
You can't have Dreadful Carnage at Level 11 in your build because it has Furious Focus as a prerequisite.The problem with Shatter Defenses is that it will only work while the enemy is shaken, and Dazzling Display is a full round action which means you'd never get to take advantage of it because by the time it's your turn again, they're no longer shaken (if I'm reading the rules right).
And again, under no circumstances will I dump Wisdom below a 10.
@Matt2VK
I'm going for 5 skill points per level, which my build has.
I was just going off what sources you said were available.
paladins are great, i love them (and have played more than any other single class), but if you're getting frustrated consider looking at another class and flavoring it as/like a pally... a properly built inquisitor could resemble a paladin but have a base of 6+Int skills/level, and you could have him in a paladin order where he's taken the same oaths as everyone else (he just doesn't immediately lose all his powers if he violates them... he might still wrestle just as hard to always do the right thing though, or be overcome with grief/guilt when he screws up).
depending on what, specifically, is frustrating you, a warpriest can look/function even more like a paladin though they also only get 2 skill points. they (or a melee cleric) could do a similar 'join a paladin order and strive for their standard even though you're not technically a paladin' sort of thing...
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I would leave the Grater Mercy. Let's say you get 7 LOH per day... That means you'll get +7d6 of healing if you use all of you LOH. Seven is pretty easy to get by 6th. 3 from level, 4 from CHA18. 2 additional at this level will only be +6d6 healing.
Plus, greater mercy is a prerequisite for Ultimate Mercy!
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I really think you should avoid the Feats: Fast learner, Greater mercy, and Furious Focus. Why:
Fast learner is a wasted feat when you have a trait that does the exact same thing. If you take it as a Trait you don't need the Odd 13 Int and can put that point somewhere else.
Furious Focus only works on the first swing on your turn. By level 12 you will have 3-4 swings on your turn plus 1 AoO for the round. The feat works on the First highest base attack pumped up attack. That swing hardly misses without Furious Focus unless you roll a 5 or lower and that is just sheer luck thing. Weapon Focus is by far the better feat.
Greater Mercy is only 1d6 more healing....average 3 more health per lay on hands. You mean those Lay on Hands your burning through to get the extra smite for your Vengeance oath? No I don't think you need to waste your feats on boosting your healing but Use them to boost your Offense. Pathfinder does favor Offense in combat then Defense.
The one with extra Extra Lay on Hands is most likely going to be mechanically superior, though the Dazzling Display one may be more fun, and it will have ever so slightly higher DPR.
What is your deity? If you choose Sarenrae, you can pick up the Blade of Mercy trait and follow that with the Enforcer feat for free action Intimidate much earlier than Cornugon Smash (which you don't have access to).
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I agree to avoid Dreadful carnage. Your not getting much out of it. Your building up for an Intimidation build for 10 Levels. At 11 you are 1 level from retirement. Doesn't even seem worth it but the OP is fixated on it. I'd probably go dazzling display since you can at least use it for more levels.
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Wait, why?
It seems like it would be good for a do-or-die type situation or for use against a final boss...
What did I miss?
Low damage and you lose ALL uses of Lay on Hands to do it.
Extra damage from Litany of Righteousness should be enough, no need to waste a valuable feat slot.
Seems legit.
New List!
Feats:
1.Power Attack
1. Fast Learner
3. Weapon Focus (Fauchard)
5. Extra Lay on Hands
7. Extra Lay on Hands
9. Improved Critical
11. Extra Lay on Hands
Extremely simple, but effective.
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Fast learner is bad When you can trait Finding Haleen Free download players guide.
Doesn't give you the Free language but still give you +1 HP and +1 Skill at each level. But Cellwood wants Intimidate as a trait/skill. He has some role play intention with it.
makes my CON 12 act like CON 14 in terms of HP/Level while at the same time giving me the 5 skill points/level that I desire
a 12 con acts like a 14 con but is NOT a 14 con in any way. Not even close.
You can drop int to 12 and sink your wisdom to a 8 and put those points elsewhere...like having a real 14 Con or a Dex modifier.
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Finding Haleen is a campaign trait for Legacy of Fire. AP campaign traits are not allowed in PFS.
I have a level 9 Paladin in PFS. Let me share my experience.
I took Oath of Vengeance but I've only ever used the extra smite once. On the other hand, I not sure that channeling would be better.
I've also never taken Extra Lay on Hands.
I think you should begin with STR 15 and CHA 16.
My Paladin of Torag took Defensive Strategist. He should have taken Magical Knack instead of Watching Taldor.
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Finding Haleen is a campaign trait for Legacy of Fire. AP campaign traits are not allowed in PFS.
Characters choose their traits from six different
categories: basic, campaign, equipment, race, region, andreligion. A character can have only one trait from each
category (or subcategory, in the case of basic traits, which
fall into the areas of combat, faith, magic, and social).
Traits: all traits are legal except for the following: Hedge Magician, Natural-Born Leader, and Rich Parents
So your saying the Guide to pathfinder Society organized play is misprinted? Where can I find the ruling on that for future reference?