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5% trying to ruin it for everyone.
Thank Ryan. Not a big surprise, but interesting. Almost creepy when I look in the mirror and wonder what part of the Dark Tetrad that I fit best. :)
I've engaged in some levels of trolling, it really depends on the type.
Shock websites, for example, aren't too bad... Corrupting innocence is pretty bad.
I mean the term troll is too wide. Trolling by definition ranges from minutely annoying people for fun via pranks and change of topic, to insulting people and trying to make them feel bad, to openly attempting to ruin a person or extort things from them such as nude pictures.
On one end, it's no worse than some of your friends who make you laugh, on the other end its people who you'd probably want to bring physical harm to, in the middle it's just punks, those are the more common "Trolls" especially since half of them are actually just petty, angry people attempting to infuriate their supposed opponent.
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Remember that it's 5.6% of the people on the Internet. It isn't 5.6% of PvP MMO players. I imagine the percentage is a little higher when you look at just trolls in PvP MMOs. That, however, was not studied, so we don't know the number. It might even be a lower percentage.
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Remember that it's 5.6% of the people on the Internet. It isn't 5.6% of PvP MMO players. I imagine the percentage is a little higher when you look at just trolls in PvP MMOs. That, however, was not studied, so we don't know the number. It might even be a lower percentage.
Oh definitely. I assume that it probably takes a great deal lower percentage than that to have the rippling affect that does the real damage.
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Remember that it's 5.6% of the people on the Internet. It isn't 5.6% of PvP MMO players. I imagine the percentage is a little higher when you look at just trolls in PvP MMOs. That, however, was not studied, so we don't know the number. It might even be a lower percentage.Oh definitely. I assume that it probably takes a great deal lower percentage than that to have the rippling affect that does the real damage.
I think one simply need to walk into a capital city in World of Warcraft to understand that
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More I follow this posts more I feel like taking on the rol of a paladin to kick a**holes in the back.
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I've found that the highest instance of trolling occurs when a player is disappointed by some aspect of the game that they either did not expect, did not like or worse were not informed of or were told it would be there and it was not.
The trolling that took place with Age of Conan when it first released was tremendous, but rightly so. The lead developer / project manager actively and repeatedly lied about features in the game that were not there, and repeated this lie in interviews even after the game launched.
Not only should he have been fired, which he eventually was, but he should have been prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud.
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Of the so-called Dark Tetrad listed in that report, I would just be narcissistic. But that just make me cute. :P
I believe myself innocent of narcissim (but then I have mirrors in my house and three women ganging up on me)
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The study itself is behind a paywall, so I can't extract the numbers which indicate how strong the evidence is, but it appears that the people who didn't self-identify as trolls are roughly average.
Which leads us to the retrospectively obvious answer that people who identify as trolls have personalities very far from typical people.
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More I follow this posts more I feel like taking on the rol of a paladin to kick a**holes in the back.
That's been my hobby for years in some other open pvp MMO. Check out The Empyrean Order and The Seventh Veil and the settlement called Brighthaven for more people with that hobby.
(side note: I'm going to be doing the same thing you talked about but my character will be far far from a paladin :o))
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More I follow this posts more I feel like taking on the rol of a paladin to kick a**holes in the back.That's been my hobby for years in some other open pvp MMO. Check out The Empyrean Order and The Seventh Veil and the settlement called Brighthaven for more people with that hobby.
(side note: I'm going to be doing the same thing you talked about but my character will be far far from a paladin :o))
Well, Brighthaven's stance overall is expected to be a little less aggressive. But it will certainly need those willing to drive off those who would try to bring their negativity to that settlement.
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The study itself is behind a paywall, so I can't extract the numbers which indicate how strong the evidence is, but it appears that the people who didn't self-identify as trolls are roughly average.
Which leads us to the retrospectively obvious answer that people who identify as trolls have personalities very far from typical people.
From the abstract linked by the article, the full sample size is 1215 of which 5.6% self identify. That's 68 self-identified trolls. I worry about the self-identifying part as that could potentially bias things.
Looking at their bar graphs, you can see that they're about 2-2.5 ish error bars above 0. Now assuming that everything was determined correctly and assuming that it's gaussian errors then we're talking something in the high 90s in terms of confidence level for each rating.
It's still very possible for that to be 2ish sigma to be statistical fluke (my field uses 5 sigma as the threshold as we see 3 sigma statistical flukes enough to be skeptical of them). Assuming no correlation between how the scores are determined the odds of *all* scores being 2-2.5 sigma above 0 is much lower, so it's effectively a higher sigma result. Too lazy to determine how many, but I'd guess 4-5ish. So - assuming everything was determined correctly by them - it's a pretty strong result.
Of course, all you need to do is look up the alignment of trolls to know they are CE.
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"Pretty strong" is one thing; I'd prefer to know the strength of evidence to within a significant figure.
Given only that they exist, there is a 5% chance that they identify as a troll. Given also that they exhibit all four traits at or above +2 SD (the average for trolls), I'd estimate a 1:10000 (since about 1 in 20 people in general would be at or above each trait independently, and arbitrarily taking half of that off because I think those traits ARE correlated.
starting with 19:1, the final odds ratio would be 19:10,000, or 99.8% chance that someone with those traits that high would self-identify as a troll.
If I instead think that all four traits are perfectly correlated, I end up about even money that they are a troll (2 in 40 people are +2SD or higher, and about 1 in 40 people is a troll with +2SD on those traits or higher)
If they are completely uncorrelated, the evidence is 1:160,000 in favor of trollhood, even more than the attempt to be accurate (.9999% posterior)
And in order to make any meaningful interpretation, we need to consider what it means to have rolled a natural 20 or four on life's "table 455ha7:Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic."
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Honestly I doubt we'd get the final answer as to the significance of the result as we absolutely need to know the correlation. I doubt it was even done in the psychology paper as details like that are a PITA to do.
5 perfectly correlated 2 sigmas -> 2 sigma
5 completely uncorrelated 2 sigmas -> Something like 5 sigma*
*with the number of decimal points my computer wants to keep, it's close to 5 sigma, but whether that's 4.9 or 5.2 or the like I can't say
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Your Total: 14
Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.
- See more at: http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/narcissisticquiz.cgi#sthash.Z1tdPxEr.dpuf
Here's how you rated on the seven component traits of narcissism:
Narcissistic Trait Strength of Trait
Authority: 6.00
Self-Sufficiency: 2.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 1.00
Exploitativeness: 3.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 1.00
Below you will find a brief interpretation of each narcissism trait and what your score relative to that trait may indicate about you.
Authority
Authority refers to a person's leadership skills and power. People who score higher on authority like to be in charge and gain power, often for power's sake alone. You scored particularly high in authority, suggesting you see yourself as a leader or as someone who values power.
Self-Sufficiency
This trait refers to how self-sufficient a person is, that is, how much you rely on others versus your own abilities to meet your needs in life.
Superiority
This trait refers to whether a person feels they are more superior than those around them.
Exhibitionism
This trait refers to a person's need to be the center of attention, and willingness to ensure they are the center of attention (even at the expense of others' needs).
Exploitativeness
This trait refers to how willing you are to exploit others in order to meet your own needs or goals. You scored particularly high in exploitativeness, suggesting you don't mind exploiting others in order to meet your own needs or goals.
Vanity
This trait refers to a person's vanity, or their belief in one's own superior abilities and attractiveness compared to others.
Entitlement
This trait refers to the expectation and amount of entitlement a person has in their lives, that is, unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with one's expectations. People who score higher on this trait generally have a greater expectation of entitlement, while those who score lower expect little from others or life.
- See more at: http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/narcissisticquiz.cgi#sthash.Z1tdPxEr.dpuf
Where are the scores coming from?
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Your Total: 6
Narcissistic Trait
Authority: 0.00
Self-Sufficiency: 3.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 0.00
Exploitativeness: 1.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 1.00Hey look I'm more self-sufficient than Bludd. So why does he think he should get to tell everybody what to do?
Because I am Authoritative and Exploitive, and you are a delicate little snowflake. It is good that you are self sufficient, it allows me to take more from you!
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That's interesting that narcissism is below the line in every other category. But it makes sense when you consider narcissism is more than just being proud but also includes ideas that others are worth less than yourself so it is ok to bully them around:
Interesting. I scored a 15, which is the high end of average,
Authority 4
Self Sufficiency 5 (this is called "particularly high" in the description, for what it's worth)
Superiority 2
Exhibitionism 0
Exploitativeness 4 (this was also noted as "particularly high")
Vanity 0
Entitlement 0
So... I don't need you people although I like to charm you into following orders?
Heh. My Crowdforger Guild group will be over for dinner tonight. Can't wait to give them this test!
Thanks Dei see the link now you quoted it.
Hmmm
Authority: 7.00
Self-Sufficiency: 5.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 3.00
Exploitativeness: 4.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 4.00
That looks like you should listen more to your Wife and Daughters. :)Thanks Dei see the link now you quoted it.
Hmmm
Authority: 7.00
Self-Sufficiency: 5.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 3.00
Exploitativeness: 4.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 4.00
Nope that looks like it proves that web base psych tests are not very good. I have a mandatory yearly psych assessment with a proper psychologist as part of my job and I can assure you that Narcisstic Personality Disorder would find me looking for a new job pretty damn quick. It was touch and go in the first place whether I was employed due to my aspergers let alone NPD joining in
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Nope that looks like it proves that web base psych tests are not very good. I have a mandatory yearly psych assessment with a proper psychologist as part of my job and I can assure you that Narcisstic Personality Disorder would find me looking for a new job pretty damn quick. It was touch and go in the first place whether I was employed due to my aspergers let alone NPD joining inThat looks like you should listen more to your Wife and Daughters. :)Thanks Dei see the link now you quoted it.
Hmmm
Authority: 7.00
Self-Sufficiency: 5.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 3.00
Exploitativeness: 4.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 4.00
I trust such tests as you mention, exponentially more than short internet quizzes. It is very much easier to lie to yourself or get crazy results.
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Your Total: 25
Between 12 and 15 is average.
Celebrities often score closer to 18.
Narcissists score over 20.
Because you scored 18 or higher, you may want to check out the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder.
Authority: 5.00
Self-Sufficiency: 4.00
Superiority: 4.00
Exhibitionism: 2.00
Exploitativeness: 5.00
Vanity: 2.00
Entitlement: 3.00
That's interesting that narcissism is below the line in every other category. But it makes sense when you consider narcissism is more than just being proud but also includes ideas that others are worth less than yourself so it is ok to bully them around:
I admit I'm proud but I don't think others are worthless. Even the lowly bug can be useful to me sometimes.
I trust such tests as you mention, exponentially more than short internet quizzes. It is very much easier to lie to yourself or get crazy results.Nope that looks like it proves that web base psych tests are not very good. I have a mandatory yearly psych assessment with a proper psychologist as part of my job and I can assure you that Narcisstic Personality Disorder would find me looking for a new job pretty damn quick. It was touch and go in the first place whether I was employed due to my aspergers let alone NPD joining inThat looks like you should listen more to your Wife and Daughters. :)Thanks Dei see the link now you quoted it.
Hmmm
Authority: 7.00
Self-Sufficiency: 5.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 3.00
Exploitativeness: 4.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 4.00
Tests such as the internet one elicit answers which cannot be explored in depth and evaluated as such. I remember one test (not one from the psychologists but one of the psychometric ones beloved of hr people) it had around 400 questions. One of the questions was
Are you afraid of earthquakes?
I answered no. The reason I said no was because I do not live on or near a fault line so earthquakes are rarer than fish that can use a knife and fork.
That is a lot different from answering no due to a lack of fear about earthquakes because I believe I am immortal or some such rationalization.
Had I lived in California then my answer may well have been different. However I am not sure the test could take my geographical habitat into account.
Yet in a test with 400 questions there are many other questions related, but appearing different, that measure more accurately what they are looking for there.
Pyschometric tests administered and adjudicated by amateurs are worth less than the paper they are printed on (opinion)
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Your Total: 6
Narcissistic Trait
Authority: 0.00
Self-Sufficiency: 3.00
Superiority: 1.00
Exhibitionism: 0.00
Exploitativeness: 1.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 1.00Hey look I'm more self-sufficient than Bludd. So why does he think he should get to tell everybody what to do?
Because I am Authoritative and Exploitive, and you are a delicate little snowflake. It is good that you are self sufficient, it allows me to take more from you!
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You might want to push me around but your score says you're going to have to get someone else to do it for you.
You can hit the road with your Napoleon complex till you take the Which Princess Are You? test. Because I only talk to other Mulans, okay.
You might want to push me around but your score says you're going to have to get someone else to do it for you.
You can hit the road with your Napoleon complex till you take the Which Princess Are You? test. Because I only talk to other Mulans, okay.
Looking at my scores I am now wondering if Proxima has guided me to my new PfO proffession :)
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According to Ryan's initial information, quasi-Narcissistic players (and even full-fledged ones like Steelwing)(grins)are not the players to be concerned about.
Andius, please be so kind as to present us all with evaluation tests for Machiavellianism, Sadism and Psychopathy. Then we all just take them, allow the dreadful players to identify themselves and surrender their aspirations of Pathfinder participation (with quiet dignity and grace), and we can all call this blog productively successful.
According to Ryan's initial information, quasi-Narcissistic players (and even full-fledged ones like Steelwing)(grins)are not the players to be concerned about.Looking at Steelwing's score, his total was 24. So I'm slightly more of a narcissist then him with my 25.
Lets hope Nihimon is not using these scores when he decides who to kill :)
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I apologize for over-looking you! I only need one example though, and I saw him first!
How dare you!
I am not an example I am the example :)
I mean the term troll is too wide. Trolling by definition ranges from minutely annoying people for fun via pranks and change of topic, to insulting people and trying to make them feel bad, to openly attempting to ruin a person or extort things from them such as nude pictures.
See, I don't think of trolling in such broad terms, and I don't think most others do, either.
I think most of us consider trolling to be something that at least irritates a majority in the affected thread, that we sense has been made intentionally irritating, all the way up to actual abuse.
I have a couple of aliases on this board, which I use to say something funny, be prankish or mischievous or even insert a link to a clip on YouTube that seems relevant (but often funny or tongue-in-cheek in context), and nobody ever accuses me of trolling.
That term is reserved for the people who are clearly trying to disrupt.
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What’s more, it also found a relationship between all Dark Tetrad traits (except for narcissism) and the overall time that an individual spent, per day, commenting on the Internet.
Seems it's not just explicit trolling to watch out for.
And people proudly posting results of a binary, easy to manipulate test? Congratulations.
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For Narcism:
Your Total: 8
Narcissistic Trait
Authority: 2.00
Self-Sufficiency: 2.00
Superiority: 3.00
Exhibitionism: 0.00
Exploitativeness: 0.00
Vanity: 0.00
Entitlement: 1.00
Did you try the: Psychopathological quiz. This quiz is designed to help give you some idea about whether or not you may have psychopathic tendencies.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/psychopathy.htm