So right now im about to play a campaign with a sniper rogue. I want to be able to consistently sneak attack with my bow but with a -20 to stealth after the first round it seems a bit impossible. Are there any feats, traits, magic items ect. that can help remedy this? Thanks in advanced for any and all help ^-^
Skill Focus(stealth), High Dex (enhanced with a belt), the Shadow (Lesser, Improved and Greater) Armor enchant, and a myriad of other ways. But it will take time and investment. It's not something you can pull off easily. Nor should it be.
Even if your DPR isn't great, if you can always be hidden from the enemy it's a pretty great tactical advantage.
Anything else besides having an impossibly high stealth? Im sorry but making the dc normally is already hard enough, making it at a -20dc is pretty much impossible and sorta kills the character. Dont want a player that has a 1 in 15 chance of being effective.
Anything else besides having an impossibly high stealth? Im sorry but making the dc normally is already hard enough, making it at a -20dc is pretty much impossible and sorta kills the character. Dont want a player that has a 1 in 15 chance of being effective.
No, but thats why I also don't play those types of characters at all. They're typically not effective and not viable until high level.
And no, there not much you can do except to jack your Stealth to high value such that even with a -20 you succeed.
The only other thing that can really help is Greater Invisibility. But, there is nothing that grants it permanently. And no GM should allow such an item either.
The closest you can really get is being a 10th ninja with Vanishing Trick and Invisible Blade. Invisibility gives a +20 bonus to stealth and will counter the sniping penalty. Of course, with Greater Invisibility you don't really need to snipe either because you will remain invisible after your attack (and if the enemy doesn't beat your DC they wont know where you are, though they can pretty easily note the direction of attack).
Edit: Also, there is no DC for success. You make a stealth check, that sets the DCs for everyone else that they need to succeed in noticing you.
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Stealthy Sniper advanced rogue talent lowers the penalty to -10
Halfling alternate racial trait Swift as Shadows lowers penalty by 10
So, a halfling rogue (or ninja) archer could snipe with no penalty at all at 10th level.
Are you permitted 3rd party material? I'd use the talented rogue, so I could use ninja tricks (specifically vanishing trick) along with possibly being on of the more stealthy races. Halfling and Kobold both have ways to reduce the sniping penalty, and goblins just have an absurd stealth bonus (4 racial, 4 size, and 2 from +4 dex before and skill points are spent).
Thanks everyone for the advice ^-^ So taking bits and pieces of everyones comments to make my character. Going to take the ninja trick to turn invisible as a swift action(yes i know it cost ki). With this i can full BAB, swift action to turn invisible and gain +20 to stealth to negate the -20 and just try and restealth off of that.
Will also be taking the advanced rogue talent but thats a long way off since we are starting at level4 but oh well. Already have a RP reason for my race so wont be changing that but thanks for the tips :)
Also yes i know there is no technical DC. Basically the DC to beat is whatever there perception rolls will be, the order is interchangeable so it doesnt matter. Getting into semantics was not the point of this thread.
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Thanks everyone for the advice ^-^ So taking bits and pieces of everyones comments to make my character. Going to take the ninja trick to turn invisible as a swift action(yes i know it cost ki). With this i can full BAB, swift action to turn invisible and gain +20 to stealth to negate the -20 and just try and restealth off of that.
Will also be taking the advanced rogue talent but thats a long way off since we are starting at level4 but oh well. Already have a RP reason for my race so wont be changing that but thanks for the tips :)Also yes i know there is no technical DC. Basically the DC to beat is whatever there perception rolls will be, the order is interchangeable so it doesnt matter. Getting into semantics was not the point of this thread.
If you're invisible do remember that it's actually +40 if you're not moving.
Would breaking line-of-sight, like moving behind a wall, help when you want to make stealth rolls?
He needs some sort of concealment in the first place to make the stealth check, so it doesn't just help, it's required to be hidden at all.
My advice...
You can be standard Rogue or Ninja (I prefer Ninja).
Take the Scout Rogue Archetype, works with Ninja... Lose Uncanny Dodge and Improved version at levels 4 and 8, and gain sneak attack damage on a charge at level 4, or hold out until level 8 and deal sneak attack by moving 10 feet (continue to keep your distance).
If you don't want to wait 8 levels to sneak attack, grab Hurling Charger, and you can use a thrown weapon when you charge, and get your charging sneak attack at level 4.
Save your ki and invis to get out of sticky situations.
That still doesn't really mesh well with the concept of ranged archery. Also, I think some people are assuming his goal was to sneak attack with snipping rather than to just be hidden while sniping. Now, this is very possible but the OP hasn't stated what class he intended to play. I suggested Ninja because they get the best common access to greater invisibility (that I can think of).
