Elemental Body(Wild Shape)

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

I keep seeing "The abilities you gain depend upon the type of elemental into which you change." mentioned in each Elemental Body X entry. Does this mean, that I may choose an Invisible Stalker, and be invisible in it's form?

I understand you gain only precisely what Elemental Body X tells you, but this part is a smidgen misleading. Any ideas?

[HaraldKlak]

Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:

I keep seeing "The abilities you gain depend upon the type of elemental into which you change." mentioned in each Elemental Body X entry. Does this mean, that I may choose an Invisible Stalker, and be invisible in it's form?

I understand you gain only precisely what Elemental Body X tells you, but this part is a smidgen misleading. Any ideas?

Actually, you don't get to choose the Invisible Stalker with elemental body.

Elemental body states air elementals, earth elementals, fire elementals and waters elementals as options, which are specific creatures.

Wild shape works like elemental body, so you don't get more options there.

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

For the Air Elementals, where are the ones I can actually take form of? A lot of them have "Air Elemental" in the title and I think that's what's throwing me off(in the monster index). I'm not hoping for some broken form, I just want to get all of my facts straight.

[HaraldKlak]

Air elementals:

The different air elementals are different sizes, which are availiable if you have the right Elemental Body.

[mswbear]

I don't think you gain the (ex), (su), or (sp) abilities of what you polymorph into. so...no

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Awesome. Thanks everyone!

[Quandary]

Each Elemental Type (Water, Air, etc) list the Small, Medium, Large (+Huge with EBIV) version you use with each Wildshape/Elemental Body spell.
Each tier of Elemental Body/Wildshape is just adding one more creature option per Element: the next largest size Elemental. That's it.

Elemental Body IV in particular (only via Wiz/Sorc spell, not via Wildshape) is rather confusingly worded,
given "Huge Elemental" could seemingly be the "Huge Elemental" or the Huge SIZE Greater/Elder Elementals (with better stats).
Of course, that right there is the distinction, it says "Huge Elemental" not "Huge Size Elemental", but the wording is pretty confusing.

Note for Pathfinder 2.0:
Just use a similar convention that Dragons use, with different age or 'status' categories correlated to each size tier (+Greater/Elder).

[Tormad]

Quandary wrote:

Each Elemental Type (Water, Air, etc) list the Small, Medium, Large (+Huge with EBIV) version you use with each Wildshape/Elemental Body spell.

Each tier of Elemental Body/Wildshape is just adding one more creature option per Element: the next largest size Elemental. That's it.

Elemental Body IV in particular (only via Wiz/Sorc spell, not via Wildshape) is rather confusingly worded,
given "Huge Elemental" could seemingly be the "Huge Elemental" or the Huge SIZE Greater/Elder Elementals (with better stats).
Of course, that right there is the distinction, it says "Huge Elemental" not "Huge Size Elemental", but the wording is pretty confusing.

Note for Pathfinder 2.0:
Just use a similar convention that Dragons use, with different age or 'status' categories correlated to each size tier (+Greater/Elder).

It shouldn't matter which you use, when wildshaping or using the spell you gain the stats the spell says. You do not gain the stats of the creature at all. Like for the example of the Huge air elemental you gain the below.

Air elemental body spell:

Air elemental: As elemental body I except that you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, +6 size bonus to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus. You also gain fly 120 feet (perfect).

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Okay. That's what I figured. I just wanted the straight RAW, and I assumed that was it, but I wanted to check just to be absolutely sure so I don't waste anyone's time when I take my druid levels.

What about their Natural Damage? Or would you merely go by the Druid's Natural Damage chart?

[Darthslash]

At 6th level you get access to Elemental Body I. So if you wild shape into an ail elemental, first of all, you can only take the small air elemental at level 6. And this is what it says:

Air elemental: If the form you take is that of a Small air elemental, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and a +2 natural armor bonus. You also gain fly 60 feet (perfect), darkvision 60 feet, and the ability to create a whirlwind.

So you take your druids ability stats, and add 2 to your dexterity and the rest stay the same. Then you calculate your AC, 10+(2 NA)+(Your Dex bonus)= your AC as the small air elemental.

The offensive stats for a small air elemental are "Melee slam +6 (1d4+1)" But yours will be slightly different because your using your druids ability stats. So the + to hit will be different, the damage dice (1d4) will be the same, and the +(bonus strength damage) will be different.

Does that make better sense I hope?

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

That does. Thanks Darth!!

[Avh]

Quandary wrote:

Each Elemental Type (Water, Air, etc) list the Small, Medium, Large (+Huge with EBIV) version you use with each Wildshape/Elemental Body spell.

Each tier of Elemental Body/Wildshape is just adding one more creature option per Element: the next largest size Elemental. That's it.

Elemental Body IV in particular (only via Wiz/Sorc spell, not via Wildshape) is rather confusingly worded,
given "Huge Elemental" could seemingly be the "Huge Elemental" or the Huge SIZE Greater/Elder Elementals (with better stats).
Of course, that right there is the distinction, it says "Huge Elemental" not "Huge Size Elemental", but the wording is pretty confusing.

Note for Pathfinder 2.0:
Just use a similar convention that Dragons use, with different age or 'status' categories correlated to each size tier (+Greater/Elder).

Well... Druids DO get elemental body IV via wildshape at level 12.