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There's not a lot of good art of female dwarves. One of the pictures I found was pretty good, but for some reason the dwarf depicted was sportin' some massive cleavage. Not really a bad thing, except that she's wearing medium/heavy armor. Seems impractical, especially for a dwarf (who I imagine would want the best possible protection that they can get).
So, I edited the picture to fix the armor. I also changed the face up a bit and removed the fur headband. Not sure if anyone would be interested in this, but on the off chance that somebody might use it, I'll post the picture here.
If anyone has found good pictures of dwarven women, feel free to post 'em here!
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Thanks! I've never been a fan of dwarf females havin' beards, but I really like the idea that they spend a lot of time fixin' up their hair (like male dwarves do with their beards).
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There are people that claim female dwarves have to have beards? I mean, they realize that the line from The Two Towers was a joke, right?
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There are people that claim female dwarves have to have beards? I mean, they realize that the line from The Two Towers was a joke, right?
Also blame Pratchett.
Plus people are pretty certain that Tolkien also thought that female dwarves had beards. Although, not a single one was ever described. Because they are rare and dwarves treasure them.| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
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Of course female dwarves don't have beards! When a dwarf is told by their elders they must be a woman, they put on a dress and shave.
Aw, Viv beat me to it. Yes, there are those who believe that dwarf women should have beards. A lot of Weta Workshop's bearded dwarf-ettes look an awful lot better than I would have imagined (as in, not just men with breasts).
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Aw, Viv beat me to it. Yes, there are those who believe that dwarf women should have beards. A lot of Weta Workshop's bearded dwarf-ettes look an awful lot better than I would have imagined (as in, not just men with breasts).
I mean, I can kinda see the second row, but the first? Sideburns... maybe. Full beards... no.
What's wrong with dwarven women having full beards?
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Nothing's wrong with it, I'd just rather they didn't.
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Love Dragon Age dwarves, especially their culture. The caste system was an interesting change.
While I'm not a fan of dwarf-lass beards, it doesn't bother me too much. I have to admit, though, that the race that I am most likely to project any lingering personal sexism onto would be dwarves, and I rarely depict or play or mention female dwarves. At all.
I dont put dwarves into my games at all unless players bring them there because I just don't find them very interesting, but that's beside the point.
I'm not making money off of it. Besides, there's an entire thread on the WotC website where people do this regularly.
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I love it! Might use some of these as basis for my own dwarf character.
As there are real life human women who have facial hair, no matter how most cultures frown upon it and shame such women for their particular hormonal and genetic make up, I've no issue with fantasy races who likely have certain physiological tendencies be more common--and hold up high different standards of beauty.
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Here's another (from the Pathfinder NPC Codex/Box):
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Yes, there are those who believe that dwarf women should have beards.
I think it's less "dwarf women must have beards" and more "could we please get past the 'female non-humans must follow human aesthetics or we get really uneasy' thing"? Also see: dragonborn with boobs.
Maybe some dwarven women have beards. I leave it to my players who play female dwarves. Maybe their clanswomen have beards, maybe they don't, maybe they just shave every day. Not really my place to say.
Yes, there are those who believe that dwarf women should have beards.I think it's less "dwarf women must have beards" and more "could we please get past the 'female non-humans must follow human aesthetics or we get really uneasy' thing"? Also see: dragonborn with boobs.
I followed Detect Magic's link to Ravingdork's WotC thread and saw a dragonborn warlock (witch?) with hair and knew I didn't like it...but there was something else wrong with it that took me a second to realize- this dragonborn had boobs!
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Unless they were deliberately created (in-world) in that form to please human aesthetics... Which is true in case of some races in some settings.
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There is a dwarven female (Elwita) character that is presented in the module (for competitive play) A1 "Slave Pits of the Under City", and the module includes a few renderings of this character (in line art, interior, and in color on the cover). She has a beard.
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My favourite female dwarves are the ones from Lineage 2.
Mind you the males look like male dwarves always look, bearded, stout, and rough.
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I've never gamed with anyone that I think would get "bothered" or "really uneasy" if female dwarves were to have beards. I mean, that's some pretty strong language. I'm just not that invested enough to care to the point of becoming upset over the idea, nor are any of my players (to my knowledge). It's really just a matter of personal preference; nothing deeper than that. Then again, maybe there are some wackjobs out there that would lose sleep over this stuff. Who knows?
PS - I think dragonborn with human-like breasts are weird.
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I like the look of the Dwarven women in Dragon Age. They look tough and hardened without beards. Below is a link to my fav illustration of a Dwarven woman. She looks like she would be a fun character to play or have at the table.
-MD
Nice edit on the pic, Detect Magic. The cleavage window in armour always bugs me .. unless people are using it like DC's Power Girl (if you are looking here, you are missing the fist coming at your head)
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Actually it bothers me that any anthropomorphic animal has breasts like humans do.
It doesn't bother me if they're mammalian -- I presume most upright-walking or near-upright walking mammals would end up evolving like most primates have in terms of where the mammaries develop.
But if you're not a mammal and don't breast-feed, then it's stupid, and it doesn't always look aesthetically "right" in my opinion. My least favorite instance of breasted non-mammals though isn't in fantasy games -- it's the new Silurians in Doctor Who. The females look ridiculous, and obviously are designed to look not just humanly-female but sexy in a human way rather than the way an ancient bipedal reptilian from our own planet would look.
I like the look of the Dwarven women in Dragon Age. They look tough and hardened without beards. Below is a link to my fav illustration of a Dwarven woman. She looks like she would be a fun character to play or have at the table.
-MD
I don't like all the Dragon Age dwarves, but I like this picture!
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Nice edit on the pic, Detect Magic. The cleavage window in armour always bugs me .. unless people are using it like DC's Power Girl (if you are looking here, you are missing the fist coming at your head)
During the period plate armor saw its primary usage, the Northern Hemisphere was a bit colder than the modern era. There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest this cooling could even have been planet-wide, but most of the information we have is from Europe for that period. (Interestingly, the fact that ice retreating in Greenland keeps uncovering frozen Viking villages suggests the planet hasn't recovered from that cool period yet; just to get Greenland to match the Viking description of it would require an increase of another 1-2 degrees Celsius in planetary temperature, which shows that cooling period was also a period of rapid climatic shift.)
In any case, the padding for armor back then was, well... let's just say they don't use it a lot today because, during summer, it's a great way to suffer heat stroke. Back then, they wouldn't have had the resources to counter it as easily as we do; this was actually demonstrated during the Crusades, when one of the Christian armies has to rely upon Muslim-provided supplies of water to counter heat stroke for the armor they were wearing. It's pretty bad when you have to ask the people you're at war with for water.
Now, why are cleavage windows practical using the padding they would have relied on? Ask a woman sometime. There's a reason why a lot of summer wear is designed to either show off cleavage or allow air to flow through it, and it's not just for reasons of looking attractive. That same reasoning, specifically in trying to avoid heat stroke, would have them sacrificing essential protection for openings in the armor to allow ventilation; after all, there's no point in covering that area with armor if the armor kills you before you ever see combat.
Interestingly, even in modern sets of medieval armor, some people are asking for the cleavage window for the same exact reasons I just stated... because otherwise, the armor lacks proper ventilation and they find themselves overheating. And this is using much more superior modern padding materials, not the much more inferior padding materials that would be used in a medieval setting.
So a practical set of armor sometimes doesn't offer as much protection or makes sacrifices in protection just to make certain the wearer lives long enough to see combat.
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The genesis of the whole "dwarven women have beards" was pretty much the early Dragon magazine regular contributor Roger E. Moore, who took Gimli's joke from The Two Towers at face value and ran with it.
He wrote the extremely influential article "The Dwarven Point of View" in Dragon #58 (1982), which firmly established the D&D dwarven pantheon as D&D canon. In that article, he also stated that "most dwarven females have full beards." While that never became canon in-game, one of the dwarven goddesses (I forget which one) was depicted with a full beard in the artwork that ran with the article.
(IIRC, that goddess could cut off one of her beard braids and present it as a gift to a worthy mortal-- for whom it would either turn to gold or become some kind of magic item.)
EDIT to add: Found that artwork from 1982!
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Well, I like this dwarf shaman (second pic from top left) by Mark Zug from the Shadowrun 4th Edition corebook, and this dwarf by Tomek Tworek from another Shadowrun book.
Unfortunately, I can't find my favorite two pictures of dwarf women online. The first is the B&W full-plate tanking shield dwarf picture by Sam Wood on pg. 19 of the Races of Faerun 3.5e sourcebook. The second is a B&W badass shadowrunner dwarf picture with a pump-action shotgun resting on her shoulder in one of the Shadowrun 2e or 3e softcover sourcebooks (I can't remember which and all those books are in storage).
I prefer my female dwarves without beards because 1) it looks too darn hot and itchy, 2) a beard (or long hair) is a handle for an opponent in a grapple, and 3) its one more thing to catch fire when working at a forge. But, that's just my opinion.
Nice edit on the pic, Detect Magic.
Thanks!
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Well, I like this dwarf shaman (second pic from top left) by Mark Zug from the Shadowrun 4th Edition corebook, and this dwarf by Tomek Tworek from another Shadowrun book.
Unfortunately, I can't find my favorite two pictures of dwarf women online. The first is the B&W full-plate tanking shield dwarf picture by Sam Wood on pg. 19 of the Races of Faerun 3.5e sourcebook. The second is a B&W badass shadowrunner dwarf picture with a pump-action shotgun resting on her shoulder in one of the Shadowrun 2e or 3e softcover sourcebooks (I can't remember which and all those books are in storage).
I prefer my female dwarves without beards because 1) it looks too darn hot and itchy, 2) a beard (or long hair) is a handle for an opponent in a grapple, and 3) its one more thing to catch fire when working at a forge. But, that's just my opinion.
Aren't those all reasons that you'd like male dwarves without beards, too?
I like the idea of female dwarves with beards, but in my head (that is, my homebrew setting) female beards are only required in families that have no male heirs, and then only by the eldest daughter. Otherwise, they can wear it however they choose. Although, among dwarves, a chick with five o'clock shadow looks naturally beautiful rather than ruggedly handsome.
(No, I'm not trying to take the thread in weird direction, I'm just talking about dwarf culture in my homebrew setting, okay?)
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I prefer my female dwarves without beards because 1) it looks too darn hot and itchy, 2) a beard (or long hair) is a handle for an opponent in a grapple, and 3) its one more thing to catch fire when working at a forge. But, that's just my opinion.Aren't those all reasons that you'd like male dwarves without beards, too?
I don't play male dwarves except when GMing them as NPCs. I tried to GM a clan of beardless/clean-shaven dwarves once and the two players with dwarf PCs just about lost their minds over the heresy of it.
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I'm not making money off of it. Besides, there's an entire thread on the WotC website where people do this regularly.
"But others do it too!" is a bad excuse for doing something that's morally questionable. You even removed WOC's signature. If you have permission from the original artist (William O'Connor) or the copyright holder (most likely WotC) to change the art, then go ahead. If not, you're misrepresenting the artist and/or the people owning the artwork.
Ask any artist about how they feel when people snatch their art and alter it (without permission) and then post it elsewhere and/or present it as their own work (the person who copied it).Reposting an original piece found on the web is normally OK, but altering it, especially when you also remove the artist's signature, is a no go.
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I don't play male dwarves except when GMing them as NPCs. I tried to GM a clan of beardless/clean-shaven dwarves once and the two players with dwarf PCs just about lost their minds over the heresy of it.I prefer my female dwarves without beards because 1) it looks too darn hot and itchy, 2) a beard (or long hair) is a handle for an opponent in a grapple, and 3) its one more thing to catch fire when working at a forge. But, that's just my opinion.Aren't those all reasons that you'd like male dwarves without beards, too?
They better stay out of Osirion then. ;)
The female dwarf pictured in the new Osirion book doesn't have any hair at all, what with being an Ouat.
I suppose I did remove the signature. I do that with all the artwork that I file; signatures clutter the art. Normally I don't re-post, so I was just going off of habit. I can see how that would be a problem. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "morally questionable", though.
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I suppose I did remove the signature. I do that with all the artwork that I file; signatures clutter the art. Normally I don't re-post, so I was just going off of habit. I can see how that would be a problem. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "morally questionable", though.
Eh, who needs that morality thing, anyway?
Oh, and could I get your signature on this piece of paper? Please ignore all of the strange writing... And I'll need it in blood...
Please take this as a joke... please take this as a joke... please take this as a joke...
Also, it's very clear that I was posting an edit, so it's not as though I was representing the piece as my own. I even provided a link to the original art. I don't think the artist would mind that, unless he's a hardass or something. Pretty sure WotC owns the art, though, and as I mentioned earlier, there's an entire thread on their website where people do this sort of thing regularly. If they had an issue with their art being edited, I'm sure they would have locked the thread by now (5 years running).
Female dwarf art is harder to find than most art, which is funny considering the abundance of male dwarf art on the web. But I've managed to scrape up a couple pictures from the endless archives that is the internet. This one is pretty good.
http://www.theeurth.com/lords54/images/kor_dwarf_woman.gif
Shadowrun for life, chummer!!!!!
Also, it's very clear that I was posting an edit, so it's not as though I was representing the piece as my own. I even provided a link to the original art. I don't think the artist would mind that, unless he's a hardass or something. Pretty sure WotC owns the art, though, and as I mentioned earlier, there's an entire thread on their website where people do this sort of thing regularly. If they had an issue with their art being edited, I'm sure they would have locked the thread by now (5 years running).
I'd think it would count as educational or demonstrative purposes given the discussion in the initial post.
Also ATHASIAN DWARVES RULE!