Urban barbarian + Stalwart Defender= Rage+Defensive Stance ???


Rules Questions


Hello, I was wondering if rules allow it.
Quote from Class ability Defensive Stance:
"A defensive stance requires a level of emotional calm, and it may not be maintained by a character in a rage (such as from the rage class feature or the rage spell)."

Quote from Urban Barbarian archetype Class ability Controlled rage:
"When using a controlled rage, an urban barbarian gains no bonus on Will saves, takes no penalties to AC, and can still use Intelligence-, Dexterity-, and Charisma-based skills. This ability otherwise follows the normal rules for rage."

I understand that "Controlled rage" does not explicitly state that Urban Barbarian is calm, but it allows to use INT, DEX and CHA skills. And usual Barbarian rage states that:

"While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration."

I guess that can be interpreted as urban barbarian can use abilities that require patience or concentration. And Defensive stance is such ability.

My logic says it works. So what do you think?


If you remember that morale bonus dosent stack and there fore use the +dex when in Urban rage it seems fine but 2 times fatigued Sound like a High Price to pay.
Edit: i Spell bad
Edit again: same


Cap. Darling wrote:

If you remember that morale bonus dosent stack and there fore use kr+dex when in Urban rage it seems fine but 2 times fatigued Sound like a High Price to pay.

Edit: i Spell bad

If I use Controlled Rage to boost Dexterity and Defensive Stance to boost Strength it should work.

And yeah, after using both my character will be exhausted.
But I like trolling, so why not :D


grab that internal fortitude rage power, and then buy a Flawed Scarlet and Green Cabochon (ioun stone). troll on, my friend.

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