Create Pit: stuck at 10' x 10'?


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All the Create Pit spells are 10' x 10' and looking at all the metamagic feats none of them seem to alter this size. Am I misinterpreting Enlarge Spell or other feats?

Sovereign Court

I got my GM to houserule Widen Spell to affect the pits and Aqueous Orb, because we faced a lot of Huge enemies. Nothing like a Persistent Widened Aqueous Orb and a widened Spiked Pit to ruin the day of a giant monster with a low reflex save.

By RAW I think you're out of luck, though.


Reynard_the_fox wrote:

I got my GM to houserule Widen Spell to affect the pits and Aqueous Orb, because we faced a lot of Huge enemies. Nothing like a Persistent Widened Aqueous Orb and a widened Spiked Pit to ruin the day of a giant monster with a low reflex save.

By RAW I think you're out of luck, though.

Thanks. That's the exact reason I was asking. We're level 13 now and my pits aren't much more than rough terrain to the creatures were fighting.

Sovereign Court

Yup. Can't make a 15x15 monster fall down a 10x10 hole. Of course, my favorite combo from that game was using Prismatic Wall against our final evil dragon god BBEG, then Battering Blasting him through it...

Second favorite combo: Summon Monster VII (for a T-Rex), Animal Growth, Quickened Telekinetic Charge.


Why wouldn't widen work? what am i missing?

Liberty's Edge

leo1925 wrote:
Why wouldn't widen work? what am i missing?
PRD wrote:

Widen Spell (Metamagic)

You can cast your spells so that they occupy a larger space.

Benefit: You can alter a burst, emanation, or spread-shaped spell to increase its area. Any numeric measurements of the spell's area increase by 100%. A widened spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level.

Spells that do not have an area of one of these four sorts are not affected by this feat.

Only Bursts, emanations and spread-shaped spells can be affected. Create pit does not have one of those descriptors, it is a 10x10 foot hole.

For some reason the last line of text mentions "these four" types of spell areas, but I am only seeing three... I wonder if they forgot one type or just had an editorial error.


Fomsie wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
Why wouldn't widen work? what am i missing?
PRD wrote:

Widen Spell (Metamagic)

You can cast your spells so that they occupy a larger space.

Benefit: You can alter a burst, emanation, or spread-shaped spell to increase its area. Any numeric measurements of the spell's area increase by 100%. A widened spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level.

Spells that do not have an area of one of these four sorts are not affected by this feat.

Only Bursts, emanations and spread-shaped spells can be affected. Create pit does not have one of those descriptors, it is a 10x10 foot hole.

For some reason the last line of text mentions "these four" types of spell areas, but I am only seeing three... I wonder if they forgot one type or just had an editorial error.

Sort of, they changed the text from the 3.5 version and dropped "line".

3.5E version wrote:

Widen Spell [Metamagic]

Benefit

You can alter a burst, emanation, line, or spread shaped spell to increase its area. Any numeric measurements of the spell’s area increase by 100%.A widened spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell’s actual level.

Spells that do not have an area of one of these four sorts are not affected by this feat.

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