Dealing with inconsideration


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Im sure my situation is not unique so I wanted to ask my fellow gamers what your thoughts would be.

I live in a medium sized city and there isnt a lot of gaming opportunity. I play with five other people, all single, all over the age of 25. I am the only married one with children.

My group plays once a week. Clearly, anyone who is married with children know that getting time away on the weekends isnt without sacrifice or very easy.

Three of the five play in at least one other game a week. Two play in four games a week. Thats right, four games. The guy who runs the game is one of these two. For the most part, everyone in the group gets along although we are more aquaintences rather than real friends without a whole lot in common other than the game.

My problem is the lack of consideration. One of the guys that plays in four games shows up late frequently. The group for the most part does not reply to emails or not much. The DM hardly replies to emails. It seems like the game just doesnt have a lot of priority for them at all. Myself and the other guy play in one game a week so it is our chance to let go of reality a bit and use our imagination. I guess when the others are playing multiple times a week, one game isnt that important.

I dont want to give up on playing a game I love as while there may be other opportunities to play, I just dont know of them. However, it is very frustrating when the others wont put hardly any effort into the game that you have to sacrifice every week to be involved in. I mean, some of the guys dont even take the time during the week to update their character sheets. It is litterly just show up and play.

Again, I dont want to quit playing and Im not someone who starts problems but this is getting really frustrating. I have tried bringing it up subtlety but nothing seems to really change.

Anyone have any advice?


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Subtlety has to go. You can't expect people to understand subtle. Seriously, people aren't mind readers, stop treating them as such. Tell them unambiguously. See if there is a way to get them to understand. If not, you have the information you need to decide on a course of action. You can either stay with it, and get more of the same, or you can seek greener pastures somewhere else.


Well... Talk to them about it. Tell them what it means to you and the other guy, and maybe they'll shape up.

Granted, it can be tough to manage life AND multiple other (fictional) lives at the same time. Just ask them about it, it's all you can do.


You have to come to some sort of agreement with the other players and GM. Pick a start time that you all can live with and then set expectations that the game will begin at that time (note, this does not mean show up at that time). Determine as a group what happens if players don't show up on time and prepared (as an example, docking experience or treasure are possibilities). If everyone has buy-in on the start time then punishments shouldn't be necessary.

Some gamers can just be slackers. I've gamed with more than a few over the years. Some can shape up while others continue to be slackers. You rid your group of those as you are able and move on. Good luck!

P.S. I know you said you wanted to keep playing, but another possibility is to run your own game and invite the players you want. That takes a lot more time to do, obviously, so I understand if you are hesitant.

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Sissyl wrote:
Subtlety has to go. You can't expect people to understand subtle. Seriously, people aren't mind readers, stop treating them as such. Tell them unambiguously. See if there is a way to get them to understand. If not, you have the information you need to decide on a course of action. You can either stay with it, and get more of the same, or you can seek greener pastures somewhere else.

This. People have a tendency of avoiding any form of confrontation (addressing a problem openly is confronting it, not just a fight as too many seem to think) for fear of hurting feelings or what not, and all it does it let problems fester. Maybe other members of the group feel the same but are just as reluctant as you are to give them voice. Bring up the important stuff... punctuality, communication... and let them know that while you like the game, that you were hoping the group could (whatever exactly you hope to resolve). Don't count on people to pick up on subtlety, in fact a lot of folks will only pick up on enough subtlety to assume snark or worse, continual griping. Just come out and say it... social problems are like a dirty diaper, they stink and they do not get better if left unaddressed.


I feel the guys pain. My group acts a lot like this one. I tried confronting and nothing changed. If anything, I looked worse...like a troublemaker. Its a bad situation when this happens. For me, my DM and one other player, who happens to have a lot of pull with the group, plays in a lot of other games. Often I feel like our game isnt very important or much of a priority. I try not to let it eat at me or I would find myself not enjoying the game and in my case, I do not know anyone else who games in my area. The fact is that you cant make anyone do anything that they dont want to do. And if people dont want to be considerate, there isnt much you can do. Sadly, it is a matter of putting up with it or going elsewhere.

Sorry, I wish I had a better answer for you.


To be honest I'm a player that has be time poor at times, but in my defense I have the longest transit time and make it by train, so 1 min late can translate to 30m late at the other end. :-(

But 1st thing is let players know that you are concerned about arrival time considerations. Sometimes people just don't think about things. If they become aware of how the problem has crept in then they may well address the problem.

Look at starting with the players that have arrived. If you are more than a little bit late then you miss some of the action.

Otherwise starting a new group/campaign may be your only other option.

Regarding players not updating their character sheets. Are they using that to gain dubious abilities based on what they "think" the upgrade would be? If not then don't worry. Seriously their old character sheet shouldn't bother your gaming that much.

Shadow Lodge

Tried playing online?

Might solve several of your problems.


I've been in a similar situation for a while now, and for my part PFS has been fantastic. It's let me get that consistent, punctual gaming out of my system. Granted it's not the campaign play I was used to back "in the glory days" when I was the kid playing 6 games a week (yeah I had a ton of free time in college, lol), but it's a lot better than meeting once a month with a bunch of drunk kids, half of whom don't really care if we actually play as it's more of a social interaction than a hobby.


Southerncomfort wrote:
[ . . . ]I have tried bringing it up subtlety but nothing seems to really change.[ . . . ]

SUBtlety only works when people care about reading into your SUBtlety, and if they have dealt a lot of passive-aggressive people--not saying you are--they tend to just ignore SUBtlety because if you are trying to be SUBtle then evidently it isn't bothering you so much that it needs to change.

Note, I capitalized SUB in SUBtlety for a reason since subtlety is often the vehicle of someone who is disempowered in their current position, or, if you like, in a submissive position.

Quit being the omega of the group, and speak up. If they are doing something that is ruining your game for you to the degree that you are getting frustrated then bring it up in a very non-SUBtle way.

My favorite is:
"You had an ~ENTIRE~ week to do this. Why isn't it done? Do you have a good reason? No? Ok, fine, play it 'as is'."
<<But, I'm a wizard with neither my spells nor my equipment picked out!>>
"Yes, you are a glorified commoner."

Eventually said player started coming prepared after being completely useless. I'll give them some leeway, but when they have had 2 weeks to complete something I am merciless.

Your fellow players are wasting your time, and that is making you angry. You are so caught up on not offending them that you are taking it out on yourself, and the pain from that drove you to these fine forums searching for the miracle cure for your issue.
The answer, as you may dismay, is that you must step up and make your grievances known, but if you cannot do this then things will only get worse until you just withdraw from the game.

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