Hospitaller and meditation crystals


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Grand Lodge

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So, tucked away in the bowels of the adventurers armoury, there is a magical rock, called a meditation crystal-

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/goods-and-services/toys-games-puz zles#TOC-Meditation-Crystal

This item, as intended, allows a cleric to fuel a monk or paladins ability to lay on hands or use ki powers. If the cleric has a fairly low powered channel, or has dipped cleric for only a single level, such a tool is quite handy.

Normally a paladin could also utilise this item, spending two lay on hands to channel energy, and then using this channel to power the crystal. However, he would basically be spending 2 lay on hands to get one back.

The hospitaller paladin, however, gets to channel energy x times per day as a cleric of 3 levels lower.

This seems massively powerful, as it would basically give a hospitaller 3 plus charisma extra lay on hands per day for 100 gold. Additionally, if the paldin then dipped 1 level cleric and one level oracle, he would get 9+3x charisma extra lay on hands.

Is there something I'm missing here, or are hospitallers (with this item) just the best self healers around?

Also, is this legal for pfs?


dot

Grand Lodge

I've had a look around, and so far as I can tell, this works. Further, multiple channel pools stack, rather than overlapping.

Now, this is cheesy, but a paladin (hospitaller) 18/ cleric 1/ orcale of life 1 would have 9+charisma base lay on hands, 3+ charisma mod channels from hospitaller! and 4+2x charisma mod for the levels of cleric and oracle. For charisma of 26, that would total 45 uses per day, each healing 9d6.


Zedorland wrote:

So, tucked away in the bowels of the adventurers armoury, there is a magical rock, called a meditation crystal-

Meditation Crystal

This item, as intended, allows a cleric to fuel a monk or paladins ability to lay on hands or use ki powers. If the cleric has a fairly low powered channel, or has dipped cleric for only a single level, such a tool is quite handy.

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Ninja also have a Ki pool. It is reasonable to allow Ninja to regain Ki also, but that would be a house rule.

You can also get a cohort (Leadership) or Squire with channel to fuel it.

/cevah

Grand Lodge

Thank you for linkifying, there is a ki gong that allows any ki using character to recover ki through it. Ninja with a cleric dip maybe?

The abuse possible with leadership is crazy, as every one of your lvl 1 minions could contribute 3+ uses.

Liberty's Edge

The Hospitaller seems like it would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, a single target heal and mercy(ies) or the multi target channel. Not sure if the Oracle would actually work, however, as the item is a prayer focus and a holy symbol, and an Oracle is not actually a cleric nor even necessarily a member of the faith.

The dip into a single level of Cleric, however, would seem to give the Paladin a steady 3+ Cha extra Lay on Hands a day for a minimal sacrifice.

Not to mention the Cleric dip would get you the bonus of the domain powers.

Grand Lodge

I can see what you mean about using one class feature to power another, but I really like mono classing where at all possible. This all came about from my pfs paladin hitting level 2, and me being forced to make some decisions about where the character is going.

To anyone who has played a paladin in pfs, did you find yourself running out of lay on hands, or am I being too paranoid in wanting to stockpile so much healing?


Zedorland wrote:

I can see what you mean about using one class feature to power another, but I really like mono classing where at all possible. This all came about from my pfs paladin hitting level 2, and me being forced to make some decisions about where the character is going.

To anyone who has played a paladin in pfs, did you find yourself running out of lay on hands, or am I being too paranoid in wanting to stockpile so much healing?

this seems useful for the "Lay on Handiman" build.

Liberty's Edge

Zedorland wrote:

I can see what you mean about using one class feature to power another, but I really like mono classing where at all possible. This all came about from my pfs paladin hitting level 2, and me being forced to make some decisions about where the character is going.

To anyone who has played a paladin in pfs, did you find yourself running out of lay on hands, or am I being too paranoid in wanting to stockpile so much healing?

Don't get me wrong, I think the Hospitaler's channel ability would work to charge the crystal, just that I am not sure the trade off would be worth it to you as that channel, while less dice of healing, will heal multiple allies.

Going with a single dip in Cleric, however, could net you a beneficial trade off in Channels to Lay on Hands, as well as granting you domain powers... for example taking Community and the Restoration(healing subdomain) would grant you 2 different 3+wis mod /day touch abilities to remove minor status effects and one to heal non lethal damage. Always a bonus... unless you tanked wisdom, that is :P

Also, I would look into taking the Warrior of the Holy Light archetype with the Hospitaler as you will gain bonus uses of Lay on Hands. While you sacrifice your spell casting abilities, you do gain access to some nice buffs and abilities.


Zedorland wrote:

I can see what you mean about using one class feature to power another, but I really like mono classing where at all possible. This all came about from my pfs paladin hitting level 2, and me being forced to make some decisions about where the character is going.

To anyone who has played a paladin in pfs, did you find yourself running out of lay on hands, or am I being too paranoid in wanting to stockpile so much healing?

My paladin is mostly built to keep the rest of the party standing. If he's not taking damage, there's something gone wrong. I regularly end a scenario with plenty of channels left, but few, if any, Lay on Hands remaining.

Grand Lodge

@ skaldi- that's what I kinda figured paladins would go for. Front line as hard as they can, and keep the rest of the party safe.

@ fomsie- I don't think the trade off for warrior of holy light is anywhere close to beneficial. No spell casting means, obviously, no spells, but also no use of spell completion or trigger. The extra lay on hands (1) will be lost rapidly in the sheer number that can be derived from converting channels. Also, paladins get some really awesome spells unique to them. However, the cleric dip could definitely be helpful. Travel is always a good one for a one level dip. The other would probably depend on what god allowed travel as well. I, personally, would probably just look at straight paladin though.


Lay on hands can be better I think, because of the powerful mercies that you get.

Seems great to trade channels for more lay on hands, curing disease, sickness, etc

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