Would my group be about a cr 5??
No, closer to 4. In fact, with so many members, it actually lowers their overall effectiveness, making them possibly fall between 3 and 4 (upper end of the scale).
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What is the point buy for the game?
Any other rules or additions that make them more powerful than normal?
Without knowing those factors and assuming they are standard characters with proper wealth I would put them at APl of about 4, so throw CR 7 max 8 at them.
i would say are point buy is 20 and we are useing the slow xp table also the weat is at slow. i think ever pc has about a 1000 to 1200 in gear??
Just because you have so many PCs, doesn't necessarily mean that I would throw a CR 7 bad guy at them. If they only have about 1K gp in gear on them, and are 2nd level, a CR 7 monster will kill several of them before they bring it down, assuming they can at all. I'd stick to larger numbers of mid-CR badies, or you'll be looking at significant casualties.
Don't hesitate to run through some battles with their characters on your own time to test out a confrontation. Playing D&D by yourself might be a poor commentary on your social life, but it can lead to better adventures in the long run. Can't do that anymore myself; baby and job, you know how it is.
Lastly this is one reason why APL is a horrid way to 'simply' scale things. In one living campaign I recall JOINING a table to LOWER their APL. Now the rest of the table was BETTER off with me net, let alone when the challenges were lowered because of it.
-James
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That's why I started enjoying DMing a lot more when I removed APL from my vocabulary.
APL isn't even used in any Pathfinder materials, is it? Your best bet is to try to determine the CR of your party, rather than APL.
It's messy .. you've got 3 PCs at level 3, which is roughly CR 6, and you've got 5 PCs at level 2, which is roughly CR 6. In theory, this is a roughly CR 8 group.
In theory.
Like mentioned above, the CR system is as much art as science. With the action economy, I'm sure the party would wipe the floor with certain CR 8 creatures (e.g. fighter-type creatures with few special abilities), while other creatures would be a certain TPK (e.g. flying creatures with nasty spell-like or supernatural abilities).
Your best bet is to go slightly easy on the party until you figure out where they're at. One good option is to throw a like number of CR2 creatures at them ... you can be pretty sure that 7 CR2/CR3 creatures will be a decent challenge. It's when you start adding high CR creatures to the mix that you have to give it thought.
APL isn't even used in any Pathfinder materials, is it? Your best bet is to try to determine the CR of your party, rather than APL.
It's messy .. you've got 3 PCs at level 3, which is roughly CR 6, and you've got 5 PCs at level 2, which is roughly CR 6. In theory, this is a roughly CR 8 group.
In theory.
Like mentioned above, the CR system is as much art as science. With the action economy, I'm sure the party would wipe the floor with certain CR 8 creatures (e.g. fighter-type creatures with few special abilities), while other creatures would be a certain TPK (e.g. flying creatures with nasty spell-like or supernatural abilities).
Your best bet is to go slightly easy on the party until you figure out where they're at. One good option is to throw a like number of CR2 creatures at them ... you can be pretty sure that 7 CR2/CR3 creatures will be a decent challenge. It's when you start adding high CR creatures to the mix that you have to give it thought.
Don't match CR's. A matched CR means about a 50/50 chance of surviving. Those are not good odds for PC's except for the big bad.
Yeah, I had to throw the whole system out the window a few years ago; at higher CRs there's really no mathematical way to figure out what a good encounter is.