I was wondering if I interpreted correctly the Spellbinder Archetype for Elven Wizards. The first (and only) archetype feature Spell Bond states
"a spellbinder selects any one spell that he knows as a bonded spell. As a full-round action, the spellbinder may replace a spell of the same or higher level as his bonded spell with his bonded spell. For example, a spellbinder who selects magic missile as his bonded spell could spend a full-round action to exchange any 1st-level or higher spell that he has prepared with magic missile."
It does so without saying anything about the spell's type or source.
What I was wondering is, that if I took first 3 levels as a druid (or cleric) and then 3 levels as Spellbinder Wizard, could I choose to bond with a spell from Druid's (or Cleric's) spell list or does it have to be Wizard spell?
Also, is it possible with said action to replace a prepared spell from another class (such as druid or cleric's)?
This is particularly interesting in regarding to Mystic Theurge, since this way I could be slightly more versatile on my character's future career, even though I'd only manage to bond with 2 spells.
Not that it changes much of the plans, just curious if this is correct.
From the rules text it seems that way.
The fluff however speaks of an acrane bond, which would rule out divine spells.
Still it does seem like it should work.
yeah, I'm aware of the fluff, but I'm unsure if fluff text is "official" enough statement to prevent doing something else.
Anyhow, came up with a conclusion that since druids and clerics don't technically know their spells, so the ability would only include the wizard spells the character has learned, and therefore, knows.
Aside that, the question whether spellbinder can still replace druid or cleric's spells as a full-round action or not, there's some precedency that class abilites like this would indeed work across class limits, so technically druid/wizard could spontaneously convert his magic missile to summon nature's ally I. Likewise a cleric/wizard could spontaneously convert magic missile to cure or inflict spell.
In the case of spellbinder, he could "convert" one divine spell for his bonded spell with a full-round action, in that spell slot, from which point forward, I think, it would be cast at that divine caster level.
No. Despite RAW not outright denying this, it definitely wasn't the intention of the ability at all. You bond wizard spells, and convert only wizard spell slots.
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Aside that, the question whether spellbinder can still replace druid or cleric's spells as a full-round action or not
As I said above, they can not.
You need explicit class abilities to break out of the class. Look at Mystic Theurge class abilities.
If you had a Wizard ability with cast all Evocation spells at +4 CL, it wouldn't help when casting Druid Evocation spells.
So that you understand this shorthand is deliberate. Imagine how much larger the Core rulebook would need to be to add the line in ever class ability to say it doesn't grant any bonus to other abilities in other classes.
As for RAW, the closest this is spelled out is page 31 of the Core:
The exception to this is class abilities, most of which are based on the total number of class levels that a character possesses of that particular class.
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I think that its perfectly legit. The archetype itself could use the little boost, and other spontaneous converting class abilities, like the cleric's ability to convert to cure/inflict spells, or the druid's ability to convert to Summon Nature's Ally can be used with spell from other class lists.
Source for this? Because I don't think thats the case.
Source for this? Because I don't think thats the case.It is absolutely not allowed to Spontaneously Cure using spell slots of a Druid on a multiclass Cleric/Druid.
Partyrico is using the "it doesn't say I can't" view to make this allowance.
Thats what I thought
I disagree with the consensus here, because of this:
Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list?
The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.
General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)
Spellbinder modifies your class's spellcasting ability. It does not state that it only applies to spells from that class. Therefore, it can be used with spells from other classes.
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I should note that in this specific instance, I would probably guess the RAI was that Spellbinder should be limited to Wizard spells, because otherwise it sort of steps on Mystic Theurge's toes. But by RAW, I disagree that it actually has such a restriction based on the above bolded quote.
Thanks, Xaratherus, for finding the quote I could not.
Thanks, Xaratherus, for finding the quote I could not.
You're welcome. The only reason I knew where to find it was because I was recently looking up that FAQ in regards to the elemental Sorcerer.
Hmmm...I'm not sure I like that rule, the fact that it had to be FAQ'd makes me feel a bit better about it though since at least it was something that was open to interpretation.
Well, I like that my oracle with Eldritch Heritage can deliver cure spells with his familiar. : )
As for the spellbinder, being able to replace a select few slots across classes is useful but not remotely game-breaking. It's nearly impossible to break a multiple casting class character. Before the "SLAs can qualify you for prestige classes" ruling, I'd have said that an improved mystic theurge that could use combined spells without the increase in spell slot level required still wouldn't be broken on the grounds that the character is still at least a full spell level behind in both classes and even further behind on other base class benefits.
I would probably guess the RAI was that Spellbinder should be limited to Wizard spells, because otherwise it sort of steps on Mystic Theurge's toes. But by RAW, I disagree that it actually has such a restriction based on the above bolded quote.
I think not. To me it seems that rather stepping on MT's toes, spellbinder is a fine add to making a mystic theurge.