Major Magic Rogue / Arcane Archer?


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Major Magic (Sp): A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 1st-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list two times a day as a spell-like ability. The caster level for this ability is equal to the rogue's level. The save DC for this spell is 11 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. The rogue must have an Intelligence of at least 11 to select this talent. A rogue must have the minor magic rogue talent before choosing this talent.
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Requirements

To qualify to become an arcane archer, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.

Base Attack Bonus: +6.

Feats: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Weapon Focus (longbow or shortbow).

Spells: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells.

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So the question is that does the lvl 1 spell gained from major magic qualify an otherwise compatible rogue for the arcane archer prestige class?


Yes. SLAs act as spells for qualification purposes.

Amusingly, by RAW, having a higher level spell-like ability (such as dream for the alternate elf race ability) does not suffice.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

heh, but is dream a divination? it might help you get into Loremaster earlier.


blahpers wrote:

Yes. SLAs act as spells for qualification purposes.

There is a faq for that? I remember that sla like this qualify for prc only if the requirement is a specific spell, like mage hand for arcane trickster. Otherwise you don't really cast 1st level spells. At least it was this way in 3.5, maybe it's not in pf. Anyway, even if you qualify, aa in pf take too much advantage in spellcasting to not take class in it.


Pony Knight wrote:
So the question is that does the lvl 1 spell gained from major magic qualify an otherwise compatible rogue for the arcane archer prestige class?

Yes. But the caster progression from AA will be wasted.

Blackstorm wrote:
There is a faq for that?

Yes.

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Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Relevant FAQ entry: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow


I don't remember which thread it was in, but it was also clarified that "spells" does not require the character to have more than one spell at that level, either.


Pupsocket wrote:


Blackstorm wrote:
There is a faq for that?
Yes.

Sorry, but I can't find that faq. The one linked by Seraphimpunk says:

"Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?

Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat."

It refers to what I said: if it needs a specific spell to cast, a SLA that duplicate that spell qualify you as having requisites. But this is a different thing from "able to cast Xth level spell". So, major magic shouldn't qualify for the Arcane Archer.

Anyway, I'll do some deep search to find blahpers' statement.


Blackstorm wrote:
Pupsocket wrote:


Blackstorm wrote:
There is a faq for that?
Yes.

Sorry, but I can't find that faq. The one linked by Seraphimpunk says:

"Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?

Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat."

It refers to what I said: if it needs a specific spell to cast, a SLA that duplicate that spell qualify you as having requisites. But this is a different thing from "able to cast Xth level spell". So, major magic shouldn't qualify for the Arcane Archer.

Anyway, I'll do some deep search to find blahpers' statement.

FAQ wrote:

Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?

Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat.

Edit 7/12/13: The design team is aware that the above answer means that certain races can gain access to some spellcaster prestige classes earlier than the default minimum (character level 6). Given that prestige classes are usually a sub-optimal character choice (especially for spellcasters), the design team is allowing this FAQ ruling for prestige classes. If there is in-play evidence that this ruling is creating characters that are too powerful, the design team may revisit whether or not to allow spell-like abilities to count for prestige class requirements.

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