Create Pit on Ceilings?


Rules Questions


When reading the spell, it says, "You must create the pit on a horizontal surface of sufficient size."

If an enemy is able to walk on a ceiling, and there is sufficient size, would you be able to create pit "underneath" the enemy? If so, what would happen? Would they fall "into" the pit? Would they lose their footing and fall to the ground?


By pure RAW, maybe not. But as a GM I would probably allow it. I MIGHT require a spellcraft check just because the spell is sorta reversed.
Even if you do craeate an upward "pit" on a ceiling, it's hard to see how most of the rest of the spell's effects would work, if they did at all. I would probably rule the ceiling walking creature gets a save to scamper to the side, and if they fail the save, they would fall to the ground. But that's GM ruling, not RAW.

Sczarni

That's a tricky question. It seems RAI and practicality is all we have to base this question on.

Well normally you have the basic concept of gravity being applied. A pit appears below you and you might be quick enough to react and not fall in. If you don't react quick enough, the pit forms very quickly, and gravity would carry you the 10 feet that it dropped. You then take fall damage and have a hard time getting out.

If someone is walking on the ceiling, they obviously have an ability to helps them do just that. the difference would be whether it's an ability that sort of makes them "stick" to the surface, or one that involves carrying themselves.

If someone were Climbing, the pit would obviously create itself too quickly and they couldn't hold grip as it shot up another 10 feet. They should then end up falling from the initial point in the ceiling to the floor. If they were "sticking" somehow, then they would just rise with the bottom of the pit.

That's my perspective. I hope it helps.


Since the spell description does not mention it having it's own gravity and with many mentions to "falling into", "falling damage" etc, to me I would say it's just a hole.

So a creature on the roof having this underneath them would lose their hold and fall to the ground as per gravity.


So then... what about Spiked or Acid pit?

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Magpied wrote:
So then... what about Spiked or Acid pit?

Maybe combined with the reverse gravity spell (at least for the normal and spiked pits). As for the acid pit, the question there is if the acid would dump out...


I think the question of whether you adhere to the surface, which moves, or whether the surface disappears, is important. Consider hungry pit, which would be doing damage to you if you were in it.


Magpied wrote:
When reading the spell, it says, "You must create the pit on a horizontal surface of sufficient size."

...ceilings are just as horizontal as floors, aren't they?


VRMH wrote:
Magpied wrote:
When reading the spell, it says, "You must create the pit on a horizontal surface of sufficient size."
...ceilings are just as horizontal as floors, aren't they?

Or the ceiling is the floor as any apartment dweller can tell you.


Since the pit is actually extra-dimensional (and gravity in the pit goes 'down' to the bottom of the pit, away from the portal), the acid in an acid pit spell wouldn't be leaking out.

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