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I've already tried searching the forums for this question, and didn't really get a definitive answer. Therefore, I'm hoping this thread will resolve this.
At 10th level, I understand that a summoner receives the ability (from Aspect) to give himself 2 evolution points to apply to himself. Then again, at 18th level, the evolution points increase to 6 due to greater aspect.
My question is this: at 18th level, does the summoner have 8 evolution points to use on himself, or does he still only have 6?
This ability functions as the aspect ability, but up to 6 evolution points can be taken.
6 is the answer.
This ability functions as the aspect ability, but up to 6 evolution points can be taken.6 is the answer.
Agreed. 6 just for the one class skill... However... I think the context of the op's question is do aspect and greater aspect stack... Or rather are they counted as 2 separate abilities that can both be active at the same time or does greater aspect 'wholesale replace' aspect when it's available.
Happy to add to the faq request... It's again one of those things that's written vaguely enough to fall into the category of 'if it isn't written to say we can then we can't'/'if it isn't written to say we can't then we can' that happens a lot on the threads.
Be interested to hear if the devs have a clear position on how it was intended to read or if once again it was intended to be vague enough for fiat.
This ability functions as the aspect ability, but up to 6 evolution points can be taken.6 is the answer.Agreed. 6 just for the one class skill... However... I think the context of the op's question is do aspect and greater aspect stack... Or rather are they counted as 2 separate abilities that can both be active at the same time or does greater aspect 'wholesale replace' aspect when it's available.
Happy to add to the faq request... It's again one of those things that's written vaguely enough to fall into the category of 'if it isn't written to say we can then we can't'/'if it isn't written to say we can't then we can' that happens a lot on the threads.
Be interested to hear if the devs have a clear position on how it was intended to read or if once again it was intended to be vague enough for fiat.
I believe that is was intended to function as the inquisitor's Greater Bane.
If this is so, then it should be worded similarly.
At 18th level, a summoner can divert more of his eidolon’s evolutions to himself. This ability functions as the aspect ability, but up to 6 evolution points can be taken. Unlike the aspect ability, the eidolon loses 1 point from its evolution pool for every 2 points (or fraction thereof) diverted to the summoner.
My question has always been does that mean my summoner can
take up to 6 points from my eidolon's pool and gain 12 points worth of evolutions
or
take up to 6 points worth of evolutions costing my eidolon 3 points from his pool.
I suspect it's the latter but I can easily read it as the former.
- Torger
Yeah. If the question were how do we personally houserule it, we definitely rule its a flat 6 not a 6 plus previous 2... and for Torger's question we of course houserule it a 6 but 3 for the eidolon not 12 and 6 for the eidolon, but you're right. there are definitely folks on these threads who would make a strong stance that I am 'taking' 6 points, but getting 2 points for myself for every 1 point that i've taken... I think a gm that rules that way is probably rare.... None at my table would let that fly.
I would go with the precedents set in other character abilities in other classes. They (as far as I can recall) are never listed additively unless they explicitly say so.
For example Rogue sneak attack is listed as +1d6 on the classes table at each level it goes up.
An example of where they list the new, total value would be Barbarian DR, where it lists the new value.
The summoner class lists a new value, not an additive one.