| Changing Man |
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Actually not to me, but to a buddy of mine.
(this just happened within the past week)
So, he and his soon-to-be-ex-wife are in some of the final proceedings for their separation (after a year and a half of bickering they're calling it quits), and they're at the point if splitting the loot- ah - I mean, dividing up the marital assets. Now this buddy of mine has been gaming for 25+ years, and has been an avid comic collector for just as long, and his collection of books is nothing short of library-worthy. His ex, on the other hand, has not so much as touched a d20, let alone rolled one, and considers "Twilight Saga" to be the epitome of fine literature. The lawyers had already agreed that possessions obtained prior to their marriage were off-limits for divvying up, and only those things which they got during their time together would be considered marital assets. The mediator/judge guy was cool with this.
Somehow, she got it into her head that she should be entitled to half of his comic and RPG collection (since, after all, during their time of marriage he had continued to buy comics & game stuff), and tried arguing that she was 'just as involved' in those things as he was. (Our theory is that she read some article online about the value of Mint Condition comics & RPG stuff and wanted to try and get whatever extra goodies she could grab). He (my buddy) said no way, he's had most of those things since he was a kid. Lawyers give each other one of those "Oh crap" looks, which could just as likely be interpreted as "Hmm, maybe we can charge a few more hours for this case after all".
Judge steps in and says he's really not in a mood for long, drawn-out arguing, so he'll ask her a couple questions and make a ruling. Lawyers agree this is fair. His questions:
1) at what level do Pathfinder Monks gain their ultimate ability, "Fists of Fury"?
2) what DC comic character debuted and died in 'Giant-Size X-Men #1'?
3) the village of Hommlet adventure leads to the Temple of _(fill in the blank__?
4) what is 'Thac0' (he pronounced it like "Taco"), and where does it come from?
5) when Superman caught his arch-nemesis Riddler, he took him to what mental institution?
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she gave some answers, none of which were correct. Judge ruled that the RPG stuff and Comics were "off-limits" and not subject to being divvied up.
Who coulda knew the Judge was a GamerGeek, too?
| Joesi |
Wow... nice.
Do you think the judge was actually into that sort of stuff, or just looked into a few things in order to administer the quiz? I would think the latter.
Did the [ex-]Husband know the answers?
All I know is a majority/partial answer to #4, but then again I'm not into comics whatsoever so that makes sense. If it was pronounced "takko/tawko", I don't see how anyone could get the question right though (I guess it was spelled out later).
I don't know question #1 though; At least not unless it's a trick question... Is the question even correct? "fists of Fury" for a pathfinder monk? all I saw from Google was that it seemed to be really popular for World of Warcraft monks. Maybe that's a trick question?
Malachi Silverclaw
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1,2 and 5 are trick questions. Monks don't get a Fists of Fury ability, Giant-Size X-Men is a Marvel comic, and Superman usually doesn't fight Riddler as the Riddler is a Batman villain.
Even though questions 1, 2 and 5 are framed incorrectly, anyone knowledgeable enough in both...er....disciplines should get the correct answers anyway!
Anyone familiar enough with PF should know that all capstone abilities are gained at 20th level, no matter what the name of the ability is.
Anyone familiar with comics knows full well that X-Men is a Marvel title, and the mention of DC won't prevent them giving 'Thunderbird' as the correct answer.
Anyone familiar with DC knows not only that the Riddler is a Batman villain, but also that when a mental institution is called for in DC comics then the answer is 'Arkham Asylum'.
If she'd have given him the correct answers while correcting the questions she'd have got half the collections.
Modern day Wisdom of Solomon.
The black raven
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The lawyers had already agreed that possessions obtained prior to their marriage were off-limits for divvying up, and only those things which they got during their time together would be considered marital assets. The mediator/judge guy was cool with this.
The (ex)-wife should not have said that she was so much into these hobbies. She should just have maintained what the lawyers had agreed upon and ask for half of what he bought after their marriage.
The judge's decision, while funny and flattering to us gamers and comics-fans, does not respect what was agreed.
At least, now we know that if we want to divorce and give very little to the other, it is better to invest in comics and rpgs than in gold ingots, rare paintings and luxury cars.
| Ellis Mirari |
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Now, we don't know the exact wording of this agreement, but I think there would definitely be legal room for the man to keep all of his gaming paraphernalia.
They must divide up half of the marital assets, yes, but could that not simply mean half of the total marital assets, and not half of every individual asset? Certainly there are some larger, more valuable bits of the assets (like appliances or cars) that are worth more than many of these books put together, and THEY do not have to be divided.
He gets all the books, she gets the equivalent value in appliances, etc.
| Changing Man |
From what I understand, the judge was 40-something (estimated).
IMO, she was trying to be greedy and spiteful (I know her), and was trying to 'hit him below the belt' as it were. I mean, he already had to sell his motorcycle and his car to split costs of things 50/50, even though when it came down to it, the income they had together was more 80(him)/20(her). And yes, I understand, just because one person makes more money doesn't mean the other person is not entitled to 50% of the marital assets, because the marriage itself is a partnership, and so on and so on.
Lord Snow
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Changing Man wrote:The lawyers had already agreed that possessions obtained prior to their marriage were off-limits for divvying up, and only those things which they got during their time together would be considered marital assets. The mediator/judge guy was cool with this.The (ex)-wife should not have said that she was so much into these hobbies. She should just have maintained what the lawyers had agreed upon and ask for half of what he bought after their marriage.
The judge's decision, while funny and flattering to us gamers and comics-fans, does not respect what was agreed.
At least, now we know that if we want to divorce and give very little to the other, it is better to invest in comics and rpgs than in gold ingots, rare paintings and luxury cars.
Nah, regardless of any actual technicality, the grab for the RPG stuff is an obvious attempt to kick the ex husband where it hurts. I really don't think it's about the money they spent from any joint account, it's about "this man I now hate wants these, so I want them just to prevent him from having them". At least from the way the OP described those people's relationship. The arguments she used also show that her motivation wasn't monetary value. I'd say the judge was correct on calling out her bluff and not allowing her to abuse the legal system to hurt her ex.
Lord Snow
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This is not only normal typical behavior for most separation/divorce proceedings, it's quite normal for the wife or husband to be led to this sort of behavior by friends/family/attorney.
Divorce is nasty.
Yeah, which means that the judge did a good job of making it less nasty. If the wife would have gotten some of the books, or even if a serious discussion/argument would have evolved around the issue, it would have been yet another sore point in the husband's history with her. Instead, the issue was resolved relatively quickly, and justly I would say.
| Changing Man |
It did speed things up for the proceedings considerably; everything was wrapped up and finalized at the end of the session.
As for whether Jim (my buddy) would have known the answers, yes, he would/did. He even mentioned that his lawyer afterwards said something like, "Thac0- isn't that something from 2nd edition D&D? Something about armor class?" I find it (pleasantly) humorous that we can find gamer (&/or comic) savvy people in all walks of life :) Kinda demolishes the stereotype from the media, though.
| Adamantine Dragon |
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Hmm... I'm a 35 yr gamer and I'm sitting here in my basement game room looking at my bookshelf full of books from multiple versions of D&D and Pathfinder.
I used to be a big comic book fan but sort of stopped reading after I got married and had kids. I still game thought and I have lots of friends, and a brother, who are still very much into comics. With that said, here's how I would have answered these questions:
1) at what level do Pathfinder Monks gain their ultimate ability, "Fists of Fury"?
"Nobody has ever played a PF monk far enough to find out."
2) what DC comic character debuted and died in 'Giant-Size X-Men #1'?
"Was there a crossover in Giant-Size X-Men? I never knew."
3) the village of Hommlet adventure leads to the Temple of _(fill in the blank__?
"Hashbrown?"
4) what is 'Thac0' (he pronounced it like "Taco"), and where does it come from?
"Thac0 is a goblin character in an online webcomic by Rich Berlew and is based on the old "to hit armor class zero" mechanic in early D&D versions.
5) when Superman caught his arch-nemesis Riddler, he took him to what mental institution?
"I hope he took him to the Bat-cave and turned him over to the Batman. As far as I'm concerned the Bat-cave qualifies as a mental institution."
Blackbot
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4) what is 'Thac0' (he pronounced it like "Taco"), and where does it come from?
"Thac0 is a goblin character in an online webcomic by Rich Berlew and is based on the old "to hit armor class zero" mechanic in early D&D versions.
Either you are trying to troll the judge or you are mixing up your webcomics - Rich Berlew seems to be the author of "Order of the Stick", whereas Thaco the Goblin is part of Thunt's "Goblins". ;)
On Topic: Awesome Judge. At first I thought "Man...even if she *is* into all of this stuff, she can't possibly know all of this!", but then I noticed the very obvious trick questions...and if she doesn't even notice THOSE, then yeah - then she shouldn't get anything from the geeky stuff.
| Adamantine Dragon |
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
4) what is 'Thac0' (he pronounced it like "Taco"), and where does it come from?
"Thac0 is a goblin character in an online webcomic by Rich Berlew and is based on the old "to hit armor class zero" mechanic in early D&D versions.Either you are trying to troll the judge or you are mixing up your webcomics - Rich Berlew seems to be the author of "Order of the Stick", whereas Thaco the Goblin is part of Thunt's "Goblins". ;)
On Topic: Awesome Judge. At first I thought "Man...even if she *is* into all of this stuff, she can't possibly know all of this!", but then I noticed the very obvious trick questions...and if she doesn't even notice THOSE, then yeah - then she shouldn't get anything from the geeky stuff.
Heh, I was wondering how long it would take for that to be pointed out...