Kitsune Barbarian


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

Is is legal to make a Kit Barb with the Fox Shape feat and stay as a large fox and kill things using barbarian rage power beast totem? This way you can get good strength, bite, and 2 claws? Would items equipped still help you?

Grand Lodge

1) Yes.

2) I suppose.

3) Some would.

Silver Crusade

You could also pick up beast totem...

Grand Lodge

Go on over to the Advice Forum, and get yourself some help with a viable build.


The polymorph rules tell you what happens to your items


I think items would fall under the sames rules as druid wild shape

Scarab Sages

So I guess you could still rage as a fox?? Most items work except AC items and activation items it seems. That kinda sucks.

Grand Lodge

Rage has no bearing on shape or form.

Scarab Sages

After rereading it you have to be a tiny fox I guess, which makes it terrible except for like scouting. I really wanted to be a large animal. :(

Grand Lodge

You can make it work.

I suggest creating a thread in the Advice Forum here.

Contributor

As blackbloodtroll keeps subtly trying to inform you, OP, the Rules thread isn't the proper location for character building advice.

That said, here are some thoughts:

1) Your size doesn't matter for precision damage. This is why small creatures tend to be rogues before fighters / barbarians. Sneak attack damage hurts a Small creature just as much as it hurts a Gargantuan creature. For this reason, picking up levels of rogue might not be a bad idea.

2) I am not crazy about this product's flavor, but Super Genius Games released a product called Races Revised: The Kitsune Clans some time ago. There is a barbarian archetype is quite literally exactly what you want; shapechanging into an awesome Large fox-monster. I wrote an in-depth review on this product on the page I linked to you, so give it a read if you are interested. I will say that I would have paid $5 for that one archetype alone, it was so wonderfully flavored and written.

Scarab Sages

blackbloodtroll wrote:

You can make it work.

I suggest creating a thread in the Advice Forum here.

Make what work exactly? Being tiny only really works if your a rogue and then you would only get one attack until 8 and you can't use boots of speed. You would also have -4 strength. Being large would work fine with barbarian, but you can't do that unless i am wrong??

Scarab Sages

I know he is and I don't need advice on spec i need to know what the rules are on doing this spec. But I think i am pretty much good now.

Grand Lodge

Are you asking for advice?

Contributor

Fox Shape specifically says that it functions as beast shape II.

beast shape II wrote:

This spell functions as beast shape I, except that it also allows you to assume the form of a Tiny or Large creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 60 feet, fly 60 feet (good maneuverability), swim 60 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, grab, pounce, and trip.

Tiny animal: If the form you take is that of a Tiny animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Dexterity, a -2 penalty to your Strength, and a +1 natural armor bonus.

Large animal: If the form you take is that of a Large animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a -2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus.

So as for your rules questions, the answer is "yes" to some parts and "no" to other parts.

MrJello wrote:
Is is legal to make a Kit Barb with the Fox Shape feat and stay as a large fox and kill things using barbarian rage power beast totem?

No. When using Fox Shape, you have to take the form of a fox. Foxes are Tiny creatures, which means you would receive a +4 bonus to your Dexterity, a –2 penalty to your Strength, and a +1 natural armor bonus.

MrJello wrote:
This way you can get good strength, bite, and 2 claws?

While raging, your Strength would effectively remain unchanged. You would take a –2 penalty for being Tiny but would gain +2 for raging. Kitsune aren't known for their Strength, so you would be throwing a lot of ability points into Strength to make this build work.

That said, you would possess a bite attack and two claw attacks while raging in Fox Form.

MrJello wrote:
Would items equipped still help you?

Official Ruling!

Pathfinder Core Rulebook wrote:
Unless the new form is humanoid, all gear merges into the form. Constant bonuses (except AC) remain. Activation items can't be activated. Material components are not accessible while merged into the form.

This means that anything (except armor) that is constant would continue to benefit you. Examples: cloak of resistance, belt of giant's strength, so on and so forth. Items that need to be activated cannot be used.


urban barbarian Amulet of mighty fists -agile. Seems like this would work to me.

Grand Lodge

Urban Barbarian, with a dex focus would work.

Nab an Agile AoMF, and be a nasty little fox.

Ninja'd

Scarab Sages

Yup that is exactly what I had in mind. Thanks for all the info guys.

Grand Lodge

Size matters not to the clever fox.

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