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Can my Gnome (Draconic) Sorceror create custom gauntlets that would allow him to also use his claws, if needed?
He has the Master Tinkerer racial trait, so if you think it's be an Exotic Weapon, that's no problem.
Can you provide a bit more information on what you are trying to do, game-mechanics-wise, by having both claws and wanting to wear gauntlets?
I posted this in Advice before realizing it should be here.
Can my Gnome (Draconic) Sorceror create custom gauntlets that would allow him to also use his claws, if needed?
He has the Master Tinkerer racial trait, so if you think it's be an Exotic Weapon, that's no problem.
Gauntlets don't state they prohibit the use of claws do they? That said, it looks like houserule territory to me. I'd say why not! Wolverine can do it, why not you!
Oh, yeah. I want to be able to craft the cold iron and silvered gauntlets, one of each, and eventually use claws to deal my energy damage. This will let me have a secondary option in grappling combat when my claw rounds run out, without having to equip them.
Oh, and have threatened area, even without a weapon.
Gauntlets don't state they prohibit the use of claws do they? That said, it looks like houserule territory to me. I'd say why not! Wolverine can do it, why not you!I posted this in Advice before realizing it should be here.
Can my Gnome (Draconic) Sorceror create custom gauntlets that would allow him to also use his claws, if needed?
He has the Master Tinkerer racial trait, so if you think it's be an Exotic Weapon, that's no problem.
Right? If I'm "proficient" in anything I craft, surely that means my own creations too?
Right? If I'm "proficient" in anything I craft, surely that means my own creations too?
That's up to your GM. I would think so though. Some games don't allow you to make new items though, I have a GM who explicitly only wanted things out of a book I could show him. PFS requires it for uniformity and ease. That said, I don't see where the gauntlet stops you from using claws anyway.
Right? If I'm "proficient" in anything I craft, surely that means my own creations too?That's up to your GM. I would think so though. Some games don't allow you to make new items though, I have a GM who explicitly only wanted things out of a book I could show him. PFS requires it for uniformity and ease. That said, I don't see where the gauntlet stops you from using claws anyway.
Surely extending magical claws through a layer of cold iron or silver isn't a good idea. Could I even "get through" their hardness? That's what i was worried about.
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Just make holes at the fingertips where your claws/nails would poke through.
Just make holes at the fingertips where your claws/nails would poke through.
That's exactly what I'm asking about. Is that possible? Or is there a set "design" to go with the gauntlet?
Surely extending magical claws through a layer of cold iron or silver isn't a good idea. Could I even "get through" their hardness? That's what i was worried about.
Logic and game mechanics as written don't always meet. That said, fingerless gauntlets or ones with holes in them for your claws doesn't sound far fetched, so you may as well!
Just make holes at the fingertips where your claws/nails would poke through.That's exactly what I'm asking about. Is that possible? Or is there a set "design" to go with the gauntlet?
Sean is the lead designer of the game. I take his word as good as gold.
You don't need custom gauntlets to be able to use your claws. Just bear in mind that according to the newest TWF rules and intentiones you could not use both your claws and your gauntlets at the same time to attack on your turn (because they use the same limb).
But you could use a claw on one arm and the gauntlet on the other. It's weird I know, just keep the whole limb thing in mind and then it makes sense.
Attacking with both my claws and gauntlets was not the motivation in this idea. Being able to make "un-weaponed" AoOs and overcoming DR were my reasons in asking.
Attacking with both my claws and gauntlets was not the motivation in this idea. Being able to make "un-weaponed" AoOs and overcoming DR were my reasons in asking.You don't need custom gauntlets to be able to use your claws. Just bear in mind that according to the newest TWF rules and intentiones you could not use both your claws and your gauntlets at the same time to attack on your turn (because they use the same limb).
But you could use a claw on one arm and the gauntlet on the other. It's weird I know, just keep the whole limb thing in mind and then it makes sense.
I deleted my post as I realized that wasn't where the discussion was headed.
Sean is the lead designer of the game. I take his word as good as gold.Just make holes at the fingertips where your claws/nails would poke through.That's exactly what I'm asking about. Is that possible? Or is there a set "design" to go with the gauntlet?
Did not see that....was not aware of the type of attention I drew.
Guess I have a convincing argument now.GM: "It's not possible."
Me: "Yeah it is."
GM: "How?"
ME: "Sean said so."
GM: "Who's that?"
ME: "The lead designer of the game..."
GM: "Yeah, it's possible."
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I wouldn't use "one of the designers said so" to win an argument with a GM, though.
I would say that because you're not using the gauntlets as armor (you just want them for the ability to make unarmed strikes), and because you're probably punching with your gauntlets and therefore only need the armored bits on the knuckles and back of the hand, and metal gauntlets are often leather with metal plates attached, therefore you could have a metal gauntlet where the fingertips are open but all the other armored parts are in place, allowing you to punch with them and still extend your nails out through the tips of the fingers.
I wouldn't use "one of the designers said so" to win an argument with a GM, though.
I would say that because you're not using the gauntlets as armor (you just want them for the ability to make unarmed strikes), and because you're probably punching with your gauntlets and therefore only need the armored bits on the knuckles and back of the hand, and metal gauntlets are often leather with metal plates attached, therefore you could have a metal gauntlet where the fingertips are open but all the other armored parts are in place, allowing you to punch with them and still extend your nails out through the tips of the fingers.
1. I was kidding, actually. I'm sorry.
2. Yeah, I'll have to ask him at next opportunity.Thanks for all your help, guys.
I wouldn't use "one of the designers said so" to win an argument with a GM, though.
I would say that because you're not using the gauntlets as armor (you just want them for the ability to make unarmed strikes), and because you're probably punching with your gauntlets and therefore only need the armored bits on the knuckles and back of the hand, and metal gauntlets are often leather with metal plates attached, therefore you could have a metal gauntlet where the fingertips are open but all the other armored parts are in place, allowing you to punch with them and still extend your nails out through the tips of the fingers.
Another question, Sean, is there any spell failure with gauntlets?
Another question, Sean, is there any spell failure with gauntlets?
Why would you think there is? I'm not Sean, but I'm pretty sure there isn't. The only weapon I know gives Spellcasting Failure is the Dwarven Boulder Helmet.
If you read the descriptions of the armor found in the Core Rulebook, many of them have gauntlets built right in. That doesn't stop clerics, paladins, etc., from casting spells (no chance of failure).
Some armors have Arcane Failure percentages. Those are listed in the Armor tables. The only gauntlet even listed there is the Locking Gauntlet and that one specifically prevents using that hand for spellcasting (but most people usually never have more than one, so their other hand is still free for casting). All other gauntlets are only listed as weapons, not armor, and none of that has any spell failure, arcane or otherwise, listed.
Short answer: You can cast spells while wearing any gauntlet except a locking gauntlet.
I agree with Blake: oddly enough, the rules don't suggest that gauntlets cause arcane spell failure. :p
When in doubt, go with the "but it makes for the awesome" argument.
Just looked at the Cestus from APG.
it does 1d3 for a small, opposed to the 1d2 for small gauntlets.
And, it will be easier to convince my DM they work with claws.
They're more open, right?
Just looked at the Cestus from APG.
it does 1d3 for a small, opposed to the 1d2 for small gauntlets.
And, it will be easier to convince my DM they work with claws.
They're more open, right?
I would think that the issue with the way they constrict your knuckles would make them less likely to fly if your GM is looking for an excuse.
There are a number of videos on Youtube of people crafting awesome looking gauntlets that are only metallic on the outer part of the hand. One of those would probably allow for claw penetration through the leather fingertips.
Just looked at the Cestus from APG.
it does 1d3 for a small, opposed to the 1d2 for small gauntlets.
And, it will be easier to convince my DM they work with claws.
They're more open, right?I would think that the issue with the way they constrict your knuckles would make them less likely to fly if your GM is looking for an excuse.
There are a number of videos on Youtube of people crafting awesome looking gauntlets that are only metallic on the outer part of the hand. One of those would probably allow for claw penetration through the leather fingertips.
Are you saying the cestus wouldn't work?
Just looked at the Cestus from APG.
it does 1d3 for a small, opposed to the 1d2 for small gauntlets.
And, it will be easier to convince my DM they work with claws.
They're more open, right?
They are definitely more open, but personally I think gauntlets with claws sounds cooler. Also, spiked armor is an option if you want to threaten. Put armor spikes on a haramaki or silken ceremonial armor.
I don't think I want to sacrifice the 1d3 (instead getting 1d2) for having them look cooler.
Though I must admit, "gauntlets and claws" does sound cooler than "cestuses and claws".