Eidolon Questions


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Can Eidolons basically just look like regular humans? Can they behave and communicate just like regular people?

Can Eidolons get pregnant? Can they impregnate others?

Can they actually die forever?

When an Eidolon gets sent away then re-summoned, is it the same Eidolon? Or just a recreation?

Do Eidolons -have- to obey Summoners? Do they like being summoned? (I
know there might be exceptions to the rules if they do.)

Do Eidolons and Summoners have to be the same alignment?

What's going on? How'd you spend your summer?


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Eidolons can look like regular humans, though every eidolon not only has the forehead emblem making it stark obvious they're an eidolon or a summoner, there's supposed to 'always be something 'off' about them'...

So your human looking eidolon should have a distinct and recognizable feature that makes it stand out from other humans. It could be something as simple as unnatural height or unnatural hair color, maybe all their teeth are fuzed together... They smell like waffles... Just something...

Bipedal eidolons start with an intelligence of 7, so are capable of oral language communication, though certainly not erudite communication.

As outsiders their reproductive capabilities are entirely fiat. And somewhat creepy.

Hunting an eidolon to its native (unspecified) plane may be a way to destroy one permanently.

The eidolon when summoned is the exact same creature, even if its appearance and capabilities change over the course of levels. The descriptor for the summoning class specifically mentions that this is a special bond between a summoner and one particular extraplanar creature who, when summoned, takes a form desirable to the summoner.

It is largely expected that they are under the 'command' of the summoner, but the context is that they have implicit trust in the summoner and cooperate willingly and enthusiastically.

They do have to be the same alignment.

My summer has been spent hiding from the evil sun god in the sweet palace of my air conditioning.


I am unsure whether they could pass for a normal human, since there is the whole "have to be a fantastical creature" bit...but you have tieflings, tengus, and other odd creatures as playable races. You should be able to manage by sticking a rubber forehead or ears on them. Make something that can be hidden with a hat maybe? That is all you need to hide the summoning rune too.

I am actually a bit disappointed in the responses from my thread of eidolon RP in this area a couple of days ago. Some people do not even bother treating the eidolon as anything other than a slightly more intelligent animal companion. I beg of you: give it a voice.

Ostensibly they have to have the same alignment as the summoner. But whether that is because of the type of creature they are or if that is just a reflection of the summoner on the 'aspect' for the purposes of things like smite evil might be up to you and your GM. It might be interesting RP if the eidolon is of a vastly different true alignment, and it has shadowy purposes for serving you.

I would not touch the relationship with an eidolon thing with a long spear personally. If you want to go there....make sure the rest of the group is ok with that kind of thing.

When I moved out of my apartment today I was charged due to damages left by roommates and previous tenants who left 3 years ago. They also asked me to scrub each and every light switch or they were going to tack on another $20 fee. No, I do not do crazy things like cover light switches in peanut butter, so I have no idea why they asked me to do this. I am going to have to call early tomorrow to contest the mess in the oven (which I have not touched in my entire 3 year stay)


Vamptastic wrote:
Can Eidolons basically just look like regular humans? Can they behave and communicate just like regular people?

As an Eidolon can look like anything, the answer is yes, provided you stick with the bipedal form, oh and ignore that glowing rune on their forehead.

Edit: They can speak the same languages as you can, and might even speak a few more, provided you give them linguistics.

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Can Eidolons get pregnant? Can they impregnate others?

Not anymore than other outsiders can. They are also an extension of the summoner, not exactly their own entity.

The general anatomy required might be missing though.

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Can they actually die forever?

Yes, when the summoner dies, see above.

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When an Eidolon gets sent away then re-summoned, is it the same Eidolon? Or just a recreation?

I'd say the same, as it has the same HPs, but you could fluff it in another direction.

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Do Eidolons -have- to obey Summoners? Do they like being summoned? (I

know there might be exceptions to the rules if they do.)

They do have to obey the summoner that have created them, they are a part of said summoner. The rule is, and I CBA to find it, that they wont obey senseless orders that hurts themselves. So you cannot order them to hurt themselves without a reason, but anything else is kosher.

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Do Eidolons and Summoners have to be the same alignment?

Again, the Eidolon isn't a separate entity, so yes.

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What's going on? How'd you spend your summer?

Travelling. Berlin mostly. Was bloody warm this weekend, 27 degrees celcius at 3 in the morning is a bit much.

BTW, this is all fluff, so you could just agree with your GM for other rulings (except the glowing rune on their forehead, that has a game impact).


Does it have to be a forehead rune? Could it be, like, something that looks like 'clothing', or some sort of head dress?

Also, thank you for the responses, everybody.

Scarab Sages

Yes, it has to be a forehead rune unless house rules otherwise.


Vamptastic wrote:

Can Eidolons basically just look like regular humans? Can they behave and communicate just like regular people?

Can Eidolons get pregnant? Can they impregnate others?

Can they actually die forever?

When an Eidolon gets sent away then re-summoned, is it the same Eidolon? Or just a recreation?

Do Eidolons -have- to obey Summoners? Do they like being summoned? (I
know there might be exceptions to the rules if they do.)

Do Eidolons and Summoners have to be the same alignment?

What's going on? How'd you spend your summer?

No they cannot get pregnant to non-eildons if at all.

Yes summoners are pimps, and eildons make the best sex workers in dnd!


I hope there are no Taxi Drivers in the same group, then.

The Exchange

Vincent Takeda wrote:

Eidolons can look like regular humans, though every eidolon not only has the forehead emblem making it stark obvious they're an eidolon or a summoner, there's supposed to 'always be something 'off' about them'...

So your human looking eidolon should have a distinct and recognizable feature that makes it stand out from other humans. It could be something as simple as unnatural height or unnatural hair color, maybe all their teeth are fuzed together... They smell like waffles... Just something...

Bipedal eidolons start with an intelligence of 7, so are capable of oral language communication, though certainly not erudite communication.

As outsiders their reproductive capabilities are entirely fiat. And somewhat creepy.

Hunting an eidolon to its native (unspecified) plane may be a way to destroy one permanently.

The eidolon when summoned is the exact same creature, even if its appearance and capabilities change over the course of levels. The descriptor for the summoning class specifically mentions that this is a special bond between a summoner and one particular extraplanar creature who, when summoned, takes a form desirable to the summoner.

It is largely expected that they are under the 'command' of the summoner, but the context is that they have implicit trust in the summoner and cooperate willingly and enthusiastically.

They do have to be the same alignment.

My summer has been spent hiding from the evil sun god in the sweet palace of my air conditioning.

I have a summoner who's eidolon is basically an anime super girl from another dimension. She is huge (over 6 foot) has green hair and her slam attack is shown by bits of metal fused into her hands that can be mistaken as gauntlets from a distance. So you are damn close to describing mine. Play her as kinda slow witted but thanks to a massive perception (yay skilled evolution) quick to notice and point things out to others

The Exchange

Vamptastic wrote:

Does it have to be a forehead rune? Could it be, like, something that looks like 'clothing', or some sort of head dress?

Also, thank you for the responses, everybody.

Glowing rune in the forehead. can be covered by a hat

Grand Lodge

Eidolons are obviously not any particular race. Also they have the big glowing rune on their head.

That said, they can wear hats and take ranks in Disguise. It's only a -2 to disguise yourself as a different race, and if the eidolon takes the Skilled evolution in Disguise, it can fool most people.


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The eidolon’s physical appearance is up to the summoner, but it always appears as some sort of fantastical creature. This control is not fine enough to make the eidolon appear like a specific creature. The eidolon also bears a glowing rune that is identical to a rune that appears on the summoner’s forehead as long as the eidolon is summoned. While this rune can be hidden through mundane means, it cannot be concealed through magic that changes appearance, such as alter self or polymorph (although invisibility does conceal it as long as the spell lasts).

While it states that the rune is on the forehead of the summoner it only states that the one on the eidolon has to be identical. It doesn't state that the placement has to be the same.

Insert My Little Eidonons joke here


Vamptastic wrote:

Does it have to be a forehead rune? Could it be, like, something that looks like 'clothing', or some sort of head dress?

Also, thank you for the responses, everybody.

Unless you play a fetchling with the shadow caller archetype. Then your Eidolon is your shadow, and the subsequent lack of a shadow serves as the "tell." Harder to work with actually. Hats do not replace a lack of a shadow.

Sereinái wrote:

While it states that the rune is on the forehead of the summoner it only states that the one on the eidolon has to be identical. It doesn't state that the placement has to be the same.

Insert My Little Eidonons joke here

That interpretation could be argued though. It all depends on what you take the term "identical" to mean in this context. I always thought to mean that they get the same thing the summoner gets: forehead runes. But it might end up being the same disguise check to hide, even if it is a stamp on your rear end. Also, that eidolon's parents are disappointed in it. I am sure that it also works for the aforementioned pimp summoner.


Wait a minute. What if your Eidolon doesn't have a forehead? What if it's a Headless Horseman?

Or, what if it's a ball of detached rotting toes and genitals floating in the air, pulsing with dead hair and yellow teeth sticking out in odd places, and it attacks with the sound of dying horses gnashing their teeth backwards until the enemy's eyes roll up in the back of his head and he finally understands the horrible, horrible revelation that What Is Tomorrow cannot ever Be until What Is is Gone Forever?

Where does the Rune go, then?


Vamptastic wrote:

Wait a minute. What if your Eidolon doesn't have a forehead? What if it's a Headless Horseman?

Or, what if it's a ball of detached rotting toes and genitals floating in the air, pulsing with dead hair and yellow teeth sticking out in odd places, and it attacks with the sound of dying horses gnashing their teeth backwards until the enemy's eyes roll up in the back of his head and he finally understands the horrible, horrible revelation that What Is Tomorrow cannot ever Be until What Is is Gone Forever?

Where does the Rune go, then?

On its forehead.


On the forehead that doesn't exist?


Yes. To make this more clear, wherever the rune ends up on the eidolon, that's the forehead.


Could the rune...BE the forehead?

Scarab Sages

Maybe

Liberty's Edge

Vamptastic wrote:

Wait a minute. What if your Eidolon doesn't have a forehead? What if it's a Headless Horseman?

Or, what if it's a ball of detached rotting toes and genitals floating in the air, pulsing with dead hair and yellow teeth sticking out in odd places, and it attacks with the sound of dying horses gnashing their teeth backwards until the enemy's eyes roll up in the back of his head and he finally understands the horrible, horrible revelation that What Is Tomorrow cannot ever Be until What Is is Gone Forever?

Where does the Rune go, then?

It's not any of the things you describe. It is a biped, quadruped, serpent or fish. It has something resembling a head. However, the APG dos not specify the location of the eidolon's rune; the text says only that the summoner's rune appears on his forehead. Perhaps the eidolon is a biped and its rune, which looks like this, appears on its chest.

Scarab Sages

How about rune placement like This
(I want an eidolon that looks like that.)

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