Hardcore Wrestler / Brawler?


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So, any wrestling fans out there? I am. And one 'style' I like is hardcore wrestling, the art of taking random garbage under the ring and hitting people with it, really really hard. And, I've been toying with the funny idea of making essentially a hardcore wrestler in a Pathfinder game, just a mean, roughneck, no holds barred kind of monster(Full confession time, I did it after reading Blackbloodedtroll's idea of Armored Kilt+Armor Spikes, and realizing I wanted to make Raven.).

So...would there be any way to represent this? Any way to do it really well? The idea of just picking up any random crap off the side of the road(or off the tavern floor) and beaning someone in the head with it, and not just instantly dying. Any ideas?

A caveat: I might, in fact, give him a greatclub as a standard weapon, just because nobody ever uses it, and the idea is funny(And also pays homage to other wrestlers that use wooden weaponry). And, I imagine he'd wear cestus', just so he'll always have -something-. But those should just be a plan b, in case things go wrong. I want the main bread and butter to be the improvised weaponry. If I can.


I'm thinking Dirty Tricks should be a priority.

Maybe it can be accomplished by just playing a Brawler?


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My characters Brother Holk of the Order of the New World (Tetori Monk) and Jaustin Jaries, the Greatest Halfing Who Ever Lived (Unarmed Fighter / Brutal Pugilist Barbarian) would like to have a word with you

but in the case of your build it screams barbarian with hurling, improvised weapon mastery and brawler

Shadow Lodge

barbarian/monk[martial artist] with Bracers of Armor +1/Brawling.

Grand Lodge

Brawling cannot be put on Bracer of Armor.

Now, the real questions:

What is the point buy?

What races are available?

What books are available?

Dark Archive

It's really tough. The freehand fighter does this, but only because he can use ANY weapon as an "improvised weapon". Otherwise they do mediocre damage and can't really be enchanted sadly.


I feel like this sounds like Improvised Weapons as mentioned above. So feats such as Catch-Off Guard and possibly Throw Anything and other like these sound about right. As per class, I feel like a sort of monk or fighter would fit the role well. Either Tetori or Empty Hand archetypes. If you want a lot of grappling Tetori, if you want a lot of improvised weapons, then probably Empty Hand.

In any case, I'm looking forward to builds for this.

Shadow Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Brawling cannot be put on Bracer of Armor.

<sing-song voice> Oh yes it can!

They're better now. MUCH better.

Grand Lodge

Sir Thugsalot wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Brawling cannot be put on Bracer of Armor.

<sing-song voice> Oh yes it can!

They're better now. MUCH better.

Sarcasm?

Shadow Lodge

Sir Thugsalot wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Brawling cannot be put on Bracer of Armor.

<sing-song voice> Oh yes it can!

They're better now. MUCH better.

Per dev clarification, Bracer of Armor do not count for Brawling's light armor requirement.

Grand Lodge

Whoah.

Link please?

I am very interested.


Vamptastic wrote:

So, any wrestling fans out there? I am. And one 'style' I like is hardcore wrestling, the art of taking random garbage under the ring and hitting people with it, really really hard. And, I've been toying with the funny idea of making essentially a hardcore wrestler in a Pathfinder game, just a mean, roughneck, no holds barred kind of monster(Full confession time, I did it after reading Blackbloodedtroll's idea of Armored Kilt+Armor Spikes, and realizing I wanted to make Raven.).

So...would there be any way to represent this? Any way to do it really well? The idea of just picking up any random crap off the side of the road(or off the tavern floor) and beaning someone in the head with it, and not just instantly dying. Any ideas?

A caveat: I might, in fact, give him a greatclub as a standard weapon, just because nobody ever uses it, and the idea is funny(And also pays homage to other wrestlers that use wooden weaponry). And, I imagine he'd wear cestus', just so he'll always have -something-. But those should just be a plan b, in case things go wrong. I want the main bread and butter to be the improvised weaponry. If I can.

Hello, I like your character concept.

Now to break it to you, you are going to want to play 3.5, take improved grapple, a touch of rogue levels and the reaping mauler prestige class. PF gives opponents too many bonuses against maneuvres, especially monsters, and combat ms are made a lot weaker than the 3.5 special attacks like grapple, trip and disarm. This was a deliberate design choice on PFs part, since they are more about the high damage than the cunning slow win.

Good luck.


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Check out King of the Ring by Little Red Goblin Games.

Grand Lodge

Really, where is this new ruling on Bracers of Armor, and the Brawling enchantment?

Is someone pulling my leg?


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Vamp, check out some posts by Bruno Breakbone

Bruno's advice and posts were huge in getting my own grapple builds up and running

and yeah, if you are up for 3rd party stuff, King of the Ring is an insanely good addition for a character like this

Shadow Lodge

I was wrong: no soup for monks via Brawling.


Monks can be decent grapplers at low levels.

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