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a ha!
Thanks for that find. I'm also interested in this. RotRL had a mini for Sorshen. She has no stat block?
i mean i guess it would not be too hard to stat one up. Take the stat block from the one from RotRL and then alter the spells for the other schools, change the weapon
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Shouldn't need them for ages, but they would be fun to make.
What do you think, 25 PB? Maybe 30?
*If* I recall correctly, Karzoug had a 32-point buy.
I would use these stats and then alter the feats accoding to the Runelord (though since this is from an AP I assume it is based off a 15 pt buy
Str 24, Dex 24, Con 28, lnt 36, Wis 15, Cha 22
Base Atk +10; CMB +17; CMD 39
Feats Arcane Strike, Combat Expertise, Craft Magic Arms and Armor,
Craft Wand, Craft Wondrous Item, Eschew Materials, Greater Spell
Focus (transmutation), Inscribe Rune, Martial Weapon Proficiency,
Quicken Spell, Scribe Scroll, Skill Focus (Spellcraft), Spell Focus
(conjuration, necromancy, transmutation), Toughness
I can double-check at my leisure, thanks for the info,.though.
I'm actually about to mod The Seven Swords of Sin module to fit with my campaign. Party's 8th, so a slight beefing up is required.
I can't remember which, but I think either Sorshen or Xanderghul will be stated up with the release of Mythic Adventures. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't need to spoiler the fact that there is, in fact, a stated up Runelord in Rise of the Runelords.
Found it.
Exceptional Stats (Ex) Karzoug was destined from birth to become
one of the greatest wizards of his age. As a result, his ability scores
were generated using 32 points, rather than the standard 25-point
elite array. Additionally, he has much more gear than standard for an
NPC of his level. These modifications increase his total CR by 1.
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Good catch. Thanks for the info.
Is there any information on the runelords prior to the final 7 (the ones we all know and love)?
Only some fluff about the current Runelords betraying their mentors, I think.
Sith Lord style, eh?
Thanks. You wouldn't happen to know where you saw this?
The runelords are not of equal power to each other. Using one as a template for another would be an incorrect way of going about it.
Various fluff of related materials. RotRL, that one adventure path about Xin, that sort of thing. Can't remember any specifics, I'm afraid.
Shattered Star is probably the one you're thinking of, Ipslore.
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It's worth noting that the devs have stated that Karzoug was roughly a mid-powered Runelord--of the remaining six half were less powerful than he was (I believe Krune, Belimarius, and Zutha), while half were more powerful, and would likely require Mythic tiers to stat properly. (Xanderghul was at the top of heap, plus I believe Sorshen and Alaznist.)
I'll remember that Darth Revan. Good stuff.
Shattered star is an AP about this too, right? Or more about the Sihedron, rather?
The runelords are not of equal power to each other. Using one as a template for another would be an incorrect way of going about it.
OK Captain negative! :)
Do you have a better base?
A lesser powered Runelord you lower the stats
A higher powered one you raise them. That seems like a decent place to start, since Karzoug is supposedly a midpowered one. :P
Oh yes, also their artifact weapons. Where can they be found?
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Krune is the least powerful of the runelords.
Karzoug is 4th most powerful.
Zutha and Belimarius are between Krune and Karzoug in power.
Alaznist was just slightly more powerful than Karzoug, likely due to having a template in addition to Karzoug-level stuff.
Sorshen was the 2nd most powerful; she had archmage tiers in addition to being 20th level.
Xanderghul was the most powerful. He had more archmage tiers than Sorshen, but not a LOT more.
We haven't yet statted up the other five beyond the two mentioned above, but I'm 100% sure that some day we will. Not anytime soon, though.
Oh yes, also their artifact weapons. Where can they be found?
Scroll down to "Sword of". It has the seven different swords of sin.
Thanks James. That is actually helpful as we play through the AP
Found it.
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That's from the 3.5 version of RotR. The RotR Anniversary Edition (for Pathfinder rules) gives him a 25 point-buy build. That, in combination with his extra gear (beyond the NPC WBL appropriate for his level), gives a +2 boost to his CR.
I imagine we're getting pretty close to point, in terms of their levels. Though I imagine Karzoug had quite a bit more swag than even Xanderghul. Xin-Cyrusian was the capital of Thassilon though, so who knows.
I doubt we're gonna see any of the other runelords kitted out with gear so disproportionate to their level, as we did Karzoug though :)
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I believe that the Runelords are also built with the Azalanti pureblood racial stats, which means +2 to all stats.
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That's from the 3.5 version of RotR. The RotR Anniversary Edition (for Pathfinder rules) gives him a 25 point-buy build. That, in combination with his extra gear (beyond the NPC WBL appropriate for his level), gives a +2 boost to his CR.Found it.
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And that's purely due to rules differences between 3.5 & Pathfinder. In 3.5 you started with all 8s, whilst in Pathfinder you start with 10s. Therefore you need more points in the first for an equivalently powerful character in the second.
25 3.5 points is equivalent to 15 PF points as a standard level character, whilst a 32 point 3.5 character is equivalent to a 25 point PF character as a high fantasy character.
No, in 3.5 point buy you started with all 10's same as Pathfinder.
I believe that the Runelords are also built with the Azalanti pureblood racial stats, which means +2 to all stats.
Where does one find this template? I keep hearing about it, but I've not found it anywhere.
Inner Sea Guide, first couple of pages has the Azlanti race of Humanoid (Human) and basically says: Same as other humans, but +2 in every stat, GMs shouldn't let players do this w/o much consideration ahead of time.
Inner Sea Guide, first couple of pages has the Azlanti race of Humanoid (Human) and basically says: Same as other humans, but +2 in every stat, GMs shouldn't let players do this w/o much consideration ahead of time.
As in the 3.5 hardcover?
Oh, and thanks to you and Mister Jacobs. :)
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Inner Sea Guide, first couple of pages has the Azlanti race of Humanoid (Human) and basically says: Same as other humans, but +2 in every stat, GMs shouldn't let players do this w/o much consideration ahead of time.As in the 3.5 hardcover?
Oh, and thanks to you and Mister Jacobs. :)
Nope. The info is on page 12 of the Inner Sea World Guide, down at the bottom in the section headed "Pureblooded Azlanti."
Nope. The info is on page 12 of the Inner Sea World Guide, down at the bottom in the section headed "Pureblooded Azlanti."
Oh sweet, I already have that book. Thanks again. :)
Found it.
** spoiler omitted **
That's from the 3.5 version of RotR. The RotR Anniversary Edition (for Pathfinder rules) gives him a 25 point-buy build. That, in combination with his extra gear (beyond the NPC WBL appropriate for his level), gives a +2 boost to his CR.
And that's purely due to rules differences between 3.5 & Pathfinder. In 3.5 you started with all 8s, whilst in Pathfinder you start with 10s. Therefore you need more points in the first for an equivalently powerful character in the second.
25 3.5 points is equivalent to 15 PF points as a standard level character, whilst a 32 point 3.5 character is equivalent to a 25 point PF character as a high fantasy character.
There are a few more small differences between 3.5 and PF's point-buy beyond the start value of the ability scores and the corresponding "normal point-buy budget". Even after factoring in the difference for starting with a 10 instead of an 8, it's more expensive to buy an ability score of 14 or higher in PF. For example, in 3.5 an ability score of 18 costs 16 points (the equivalent of 14 points in PF terms), while in PF an ability score of 18 costs 17 points.