Good question. I often wonder this specifically in regards to slam attacks.
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I thought this was going to be about monks with anorexia
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Well, this was clearer in 3.5, with the example Fiendish Gelatinous Cube Monk, in WotC's "Elite Opponents".
This meant that a physical body, was all that was required.
Now, just because it worked in 3.5, and nothing suggests that it changed, doesn't mean it works the same in Pathfinder.
As some recent FAQs have made us aware.
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I'm detecting hints of bitterness.
FAQ'd and for what's its worth I would believe they can but that doesn't mean they will. Non humanoid( body type not creature type) creatures are a bit weird at times as to how the rules work.
It would be nice.
Notably, there are no rules for unarmed attacks in the UMR. There is a reference to some humanoids and monstrous humanoids in the Natural attacks section, but it basically tells you to use the rules in the CRB for "armed" unarmed attacks.
That leads me to believe that "monsters" use natural attacks (and therefore the natural attack mechanics) and not unarmed attacks.
Natural attack mechanics require a "limb capable of delivering the attack".
I don't think Unarmed Strike requires any specific shape or form. I think that most creatures with natural attacks don't use it because attacking with their natural attacks is better.
Hmm. I would still say that an unarmed strike requires a limb, but it doesn't specify either way.
(limb-agnostic, sounded aloud, brings to mind stinky, moldy cheese).
Magic Fang is a separate question, though. I think the reason they made it so all-encompassing is because the spell doesn't know which type of attack, which limb, or what style of attack you'll be using. So generalities in that case are not only acceptable, they're more useful.
I don't think Unarmed Strike requires any specific shape or form. I think that most creatures with natural attacks don't use it because attacking with their natural attacks is better.
Or more natural for them to use. Unarmed strikes are often treated as both natural and manufactured for spells, so you can turn back to the aversion most animals have to manufactured weapons. Plus IUS seems like you have to be specifically trained to use it, rather than the natural instincts and expressiveness of a bite or claw attack.
Of course, these ideas still might not hold up to some of the realities. For example, what is the difference between a slam and someone just backhanding someone with an unarmed strike? This holds particular relevance since many humanoid monsters such as giants, demons, and vampires have this natural attack. What is it specifically? Just flailing around with your arm?
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Still, by RAW, the Phycomid, with it's lack of natural weapons, can make unarmed strikes.
It has no limbs, but is capable, nonetheless.
I always imagined the slam attack was them picking you up and slamming you against the ground or something(like a powerbomb for those of you who have watched WWE), but I probably shouldn't be trusted with how things specifically are, as I always imagined FoB as a combination of Windmill arm swings and goose step leg kicks with your eyes closed and shaking your head.
I still think of slam in terms of D&D with "shoulder slam" and "shield slam".
What part of the body is a slam executed with?
Really depends I see zombies doing the typical throw themselves full force into you. While I see a golem punching the crap outta something.
Maybe and this positing towards a next edition thing make unarmed attacks natural weapons. But if you have some training you get to treat them as light weapons.
Monk/Cave Druid is actually a build I have considered for awhile.
The Fiendish Gelatinous Cube was pretty much a big inspiration for it.
Apologies for the tangent, but have you considered The Conquerer Ooze for all your ooze based pugilism desires?
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Monk/Cave Druid is actually a build I have considered for awhile.
The Fiendish Gelatinous Cube was pretty much a big inspiration for it.
Apologies for the tangent, but have you considered The Conquerer Ooze for all your ooze based pugilism desires?
prototype00
I have actually been lurking through, carefully inspecting your build.
It has reinvigorated my desire to see my own build come to fruition.
I would say go ahead and talk with your GM about playing the build bbt. If its for PFS do you play under one or two GMs or several?
What body form requirements are needed to make an unarmed strike, in regards to non-humanoid bodies?
Having a corporeal body would seem to be only requirement. Anything can attack you physically ... head-butt, body slam ...