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Hello, basically the question is: "Can I use Blood Money with spells that require longer then 1 round to cast."
Blood Money is supposed to be cast just before casting another spell. So if I cast Blood Money and then started casting a spell that will not complete that round, will Blood Money still work since I cast it just before I started casting the spell?
As an example let's say I want to make Arcane Sight Permanent on myself. I cast Arcane Sight, then the following round Blood Money + Permanency. I've begun casting Permanency now, but it will take 2 rounds to cast. Has the material component provided by Blood Money been consumed when I started casting Permanency or will Blood Money fail because it has taken more then 1 round to finish casting.
All I can find on when material components are consumed is that:
"A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process."
This leads me to believe that material components are consumed as soon as a caster begins casting a spell, which leads me to believe that Blood Money would work with Permanency assuming that is when the components are "used".
Thanks in advance.
Yeah, just cast Blood Money the round before the spell finishes being cast.
You know Iorthol.... I had not considered that, that would neatly resolve the conundrums. I'll give the rules on it a once over but that sounds pretty good.
Here's the answer to your question.That's not really an answer as he even says do it either way.
From my reading, he does say the first way is correct but you could run it either way.
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It's the first one.
But if you use the second one, that's fine too.
Despite my error on that second post, as long as you stay consistent in how you run the spell in your game... THAT'S the right way to do it.
He said he was wrong it should be A, but if you use B because of my wrong post then keep using B if that works. At least that is how it reads to me. A is correct but the game is more about having fun than being correct.
Yeah, just cast Blood Money the round before the spell finishes being cast.
If the GM declares there is one specific round in which the material components need to be present, then using Blood Money with Contingency might be an option. That shouldn't interrupt the casting of the Permanency spell.
James is the guy to ask rules questions for the campaign setting line, as the design team doesn't really answer FAQs on non-Core line material. This spell came from the campaign setting line. He said that the first post of his was correct. Pretty cut and clear there.
For the same reason, if you have a question on a campaign setting rules element, you ask about it in the product's discussion thread, and one of the developers will answer your question there.
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An interesting question, and I suspect there might be some table variation over this unless we have it answered in the FAQ. Moreover, as Drachsor says, James Jacobs isn't in charge with the rules. Consequently, I believe we need the spell mechanics pertaining to material components to be clarified. I guess the FAQ question really is: "at what moment are the material spell components expended during the casting of the spell?".
Answering this with "at the start of the casting of the spell" equals to allowing it Blood Money to pay for spells like Restoration, Raise Dead, et alii.
Answering it with "at the end of the casting of the spell" or "the material components need to be at hand during the whole casting time" won't allow it and reduces Blood Money to a niche, yet still great spell - it still allows bypassing the monetary cost of Stoneskin, for example - still a great spell imho.
Blood money on permanency will not work (as has been said) because you have to cast blood money directly before casting permanency which will result in trying to make blood money permanent. That doesn't worrk and the spell fizzles.
Other than that I'd like to know the ruling on longer castingtimes with blood money.
Thats just it though Umbranus, you are casting Permanency directly after Blood Money. It won't finish casting until 2 rounds later, but Blood Money only says "cast just before casting another spell". Well I think we can all agree that you have cast Blood Money just before Permanency. For Example:
Swift Action: Cast Blood Money.
Full Round: Cast Permanency (This is the correct phrasing you have cast Permanency at this point.)
Next Full Round: Finish Casting Permanency.
All the timing requirements have been met in the above example, which leads me to believe it works.
