Ettin and attacks...not sure.


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So....I got no problems with understanding all the monsters attacks and bonus...but this one is tricky.

This is the Ettin attacks:
Melee 2 flails +12/+7 (2d6+6)
Ranged 2 javelins +5 (1d8+6)

And here is what's bugging me:
Superior Two-Weapon Fighting (Ex)

An ettin fights with a flail or javelin in each hand. Because each of its two heads controls an arm, the ettin does not take a penalty on attack or damage rolls for attacking with two weapons.

So. If we just check the melee attacks, I understand that during a full attack, the Ettin can do 1 attack at +12 and the other one at +7. fine. But with STWF, it says that it's ok to attack with 2 weapons, since there is 2 heads. He don't suffer any penality.

But....that would be +12/+12 no? Here is the choices in my head, help me correct that.

1- he can make a move and 1 attack at +12. next round full attack at +12 then +7 and i don't know wtf is superior TWF.
2- he can make a move and do 1 attack at +12. next round he can full attack at +12/+12 and there is a mistake in the first part.
3- he can make a move and do 1 attack at +12. next round he can full attack at +12/+7 with main weapon, then +12 with off hand. It's not clear.
4- he can make a move and do 1 attack at +12. next round he can make a full attack at +12/+7 and +12/+7 for 4 attack total.

Can someone help me?

P.S. can he do a move + 2 attacks (one with each weapon since there is 2 heads?)


Foxdie13 wrote:
3- he can make a move and do 1 attack at +12. next round he can full attack at +12/+7 with main weapon, then +12 with off hand. It's not clear.

This one's the correct one. He's got an iterative attack (the +7) since his BAB is high enough, and he's got an off-hand attack from two-weapon fighting (the combat rules, not the feat). Usually there's to hit and damage penalties for two-weapon fighting, but his STWF ability takes care of those.

Foxdie13 wrote:
P.S. can he do a move + 2 attacks (one with each weapon since there is 2 heads?)

No. All having two heads does is alter the TWF penalties.


With a Base Attack of +7, any creature is entitled to an iterative attack when wielding just one weapon. What you see under melee is accomplishable without even using two-weapon fighting.

An ettin can attack with two weapons without taking any penalties on attack and damage -- which it would logically do every time it can full attack. The Ettin doesn't actually have any of the Two-weapon fighting feats, so it isn't entitled to any bonus attacks beyond the extra attack that every creature can perform while two-weapon fighting.

Therefore, I believe a typical full attack for melee would instead be +12/+12/+7.


thank you very much for the quick answer :)


It's possible that the ettin is intended to be able to attack twice with each of its two morningstars (for a total routine of +12/+12/+7/+7), but as it stands that would be a houserule.

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