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Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.
If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
is you specify the familiar as the "toucher", is the delivery of the spell still a "free action"?
example ...
seeing his friend unconscious, master casts CLW spell designating his familiar as the toucher. The familiar is capable of double moving to the unconscious friend and use a free action to touch them delivering the spell?
I've always been in the yes camp, as long as it moves before the wizard casts, since holding the charge loses the free touch.
I've always been in the yes camp, as long as it moves before the wizard casts, since holding the charge loses the free touch.
Per the rules, it actually has to be in contact with the caster at the time the spell is cast.
That said, a caster can cast a touch spell, move, and then deliver it with the free touch, so I see no reason why the familiar could not do the same (the practical upshot of which is that the familiar still has its own standard action after delivering the spell).
I would say probably not.
The quoted text from Touch Spells in Combat says specifically, "You may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action".
Perhaps someone else can come up with a more concrete reasoning.
I would say probably not.
The quoted text from Touch Spells in Combat says specifically, "You may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action".
Perhaps someone else can come up with a more concrete reasoning.
True. But the familiar also says:
Deliver Touch Spells (Su): If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
If the master is capable of moving then getting the free touch, then so should the familiar. It delivers the touch spell just as the master would.
So the master can cast a touch spell and designate the familiar as the toucher (they have to be touching each other to do this), the familiar can move, then touch the target as a free action. Just as the master himself would be able to do.
That would be my logic as well, Jeraa. Specific trumps general and all that.
It says it has to be in contact, which a caster has up to a mile I believe(unless you mean physical contact, but raw doesn't say so). Couple that with the, " can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would." Line, inclines me to believe it gets the delivery in that fashion.
It says it has to be in contact, which a caster has up to a mile I believe(unless you mean physical contact, but raw doesn't say so). Couple that with the, " can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would." Line, inclines me to believe it gets the delivery in that fashion.
The 1 mile range is only for the empathic link and the special ability a the familiar grants (like the bats +# bonus on Fly checks, or the toads +3 bonus to the masters hit points). Other abilities have their own range, such as being withing arms reach for Alertness, or touching for Deliver Touch Spells.
Just to specify more, can the familiar use their move action AND standard action (to move) before the free touch to deliver the spell?
@gourry187: I see no reason in the rules why it could not do so.
It says it has to be in contact, which a caster has up to a mile I believe(unless you mean physical contact, but raw doesn't say so). Couple that with the, " can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would." Line, inclines me to believe it gets the delivery in that fashion.The 1 mile range is only for the empathic link and the special ability a the familiar grants (like the bats +# bonus on Fly checks, or the toads +3 bonus to the masters hit points). Other abilities have their own range, such as being withing arms reach for Alertness, or touching for Deliver Touch Spells.
I concur, but contacts a vague term that could be interpreted as such. If they wanted to infer touch range, they could have easily said touching instead.
I think we agree it could double move(even run?) from the adjacent caster and deliver a touch spell as a free action tho.