Sacred Servant Paladin and the Rage Domain.


Rules Questions


Pretty sure this hasn't been asked. Couldn't find it at any rate.

Anyways, could the Paladin actually rage?


Nothing about Rage itself would restrict a Paladin from using it, honestly I can see a paladin working himself into a tizzy to smite something. However, can you tell me which Lawful Good, Neutral Good, or Lawful Neutral god (and you must have a god of one of those alignments) has the rage domain listed as one of their domains?


Claxon wrote:
Nothing about Rage itself would restrict a Paladin from using it, honestly I can see a paladin working himself into a tizzy to smite something. However, can you tell me which Lawful Good, Neutral Good, or Lawful neutral God (and you must have a god of one of those alignments) has the rage domain listed as one of their domains?

Ragathiel


Then he's cool, but has to worship Ragathiel and follow his code, and there was a thread the other day about how Rgathiel was pretty much a psycho axe murderer of evil.


Claxon wrote:
Then he's cool, but has to worship Ragathiel and follow his code, and there was a thread the other day about how Rgathiel was pretty much a psycho axe murderer of evil.

No, he's a psycho axe murderer of good.

Liberty's Edge

Vildeis works too.

Though I am not sure she is much more wholesome than Ragathiel, being all about martyrdom and scarifications.


Ragathiel was what I was thinking of. It says rage like a barbarian so I thought maybe it might mean same alignment restrictions. Was going to do the same thing for Vildeis, as per Chonicles she gets all her sub domains. Seems a bit too good choice wise. Thanks everyone.


you can do something similar with a wild stalker ranger going into the Hellknight prestige class.

Go lawful rage!


Kazaan wrote:
Claxon wrote:
Then he's cool, but has to worship Ragathiel and follow his code, and there was a thread the other day about how Rgathiel was pretty much a psycho axe murderer of evil.
No, he's a psycho axe murderer of good.

I'm really not sure if it should be "of good" or "of evil". The phrase is sort of ambiguous and it could mean the person if either murdering evil or murdering on the behalf of good. I actually debated about this when I wrote the statement out, and I'm still not sure which it should actually be.


In a related note: Can you smite while raging?


deuxhero wrote:
In a related note: Can you smite while raging?

Only if you're a member of the WBC.

Grand Lodge

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Rage is not quite the frothing mouth retard strength frenzy people make it out to be.

You can fight defensively, use Combat Expertise, and even ready actions.

Shocking!


Just remember you can't cast spells while raging.


deuxhero wrote:
In a related note: Can you smite while raging?

I'd be rather shocked if you couldn't.

I don't see why you couldn't rage while lawful. Rage itself doesn't have anything about being lawful or not. The barbarian class is the one with the issue. Ragathiel sure seems okay with it.


Actually Rage and Smite would go together quite well.

Shadow Lodge

Yeah, righteous anger is classic. There's some christian theological discussion here and here, but the general theme is that righteous anger (1) is a response real wrongdoing and (2) should not cause you to do anything wrong as a result of your anger.

PF-wise, the fact that LG Ragathiel grants the Rage domain is pretty solid proof that Rage is not unpaladin-like - nor does the description of Rage suggest it would ever force a PC to perform unpaladin-like actions.

Also, the Lesser Celestial Totem from Champions of Purity is great for a Raging Paladin since it adds your class level to your HP healed from Lay On Hands whenever you're Raging. Sadly you don't get a rage power until level 15.

Also a good idea: Mercy to remove fatigue.

Liberty's Edge

Actually, Ragathiel explicitly grants Destruction, not Rage.

Rage becomes available because ALL subdomains except for a few clearly named are available to a Cleric of an Empyreal Lord with the corresponding Domain (here Destruction for Rage).

Which BTW makes it far better to worship an Empyreal Lord rather than a real God. Doubly so as Gods do not grant Boons.


Look on the Pathfinder wiki Ragathiel grants rage. Plus in Chronicles of the Righteous it says the emperyal lords get all the subdomains for their domains.

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