Scaling Unarmed Damage

[Kazumetsa]

What spells or abilities are available(potentially) to a Monk in regards to increase his Size or Size in terms of Damage? aka Lead Blades or Strong Jaw.

Currently I'm taking 13 levels of Monk and 7 levels of Brother of the Seal. With Enlarge I'll be up at 6d8. Is there was a way to count my Unarmed damage as higher than Huge(6d8)?

[David H]

Actually, I'd cut back on the monk levels by 5 and replace them with Brawler 5. You can use Monks Robes to replace the lost unarmed damage, but then get Weapon Spec: Unarmed and the Brawler's Close Combatant abilities to get an extra +5 to your Unarmed Damage. I know it's not quite what you're looking for, but it is something useful.

I say this because I don't believe you can stack size increases (see the Bashing shield property and shield spikes discussion). If I'm wrong, then stack all the things you just mentioned as I cannot recall anything else that increases size that a monk could have access to one way or another.

[Imbicatus]

Going fighter is a solid suggestion. As an alternative to brawler though, you may want Unarmed Fighter instead. You loose 2 points of static damage, but you gain DR while grappling and a free style feat.

[Kazumetsa]

Or rather, I would be a Large character with Enlarge, and my damage would be Huge sized at 6d8 if that clears it up. I was wondering if there is anything else that would count my damage as a bigger size.

The only problem with cutting back 5 levels is it would mess with the prestige and regular monk class, and lose a couple extra flurry attacks in the longrun.

[Claxon]

The best you could do really is Strong Jaw and Enalrge Person. There isn't anything else that stacks really. Strong Jaw will increase your effective size by 2 and enlarge person will actually make you one size larger. This will effectively allow you to deal damage as if you were Gargantuan size category.

There are no races that start out large (and you're DM would be silly to let you especially since you are trying to stack size increases), so this is the best you can do.

[prototype00]

Well, at the risk of restating my thread (which you have visited), Strong Jaw and 4+ levels of druid makes you huge sized with +2 effective size increases to unarmed strike damage. So 12d8 unarmed strike damage there (which coincidentally is where the damage progression for weapons stops, which is just as well I suppose).

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[Kazumetsa]

Thanks guys! I'll see if there is something I can do with this guy...

[David H]

@Kazumetsa: Actually, as you have it, it won't mess up the Monk and Brother prestige classes. You only need to be a 5th level monk to start Brother of the Seal. Also, because Brother of the Seal's Unarmed Combat ability says his flurry of blows stacks with monks, you'll hit the baseline 3 extra flurry attacks at level 15 between Monk and Brother. The BAB from Fighter still stacks with the flurry modified BAB (as per the FAQ), so you'll still be flurrying at base +18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8/+3. The only other losses would be 2 less Stunning Fists a day, Improved Evasion, and a couple of other minor monk perks.

I'd honestly go Qinggong Monk 7/Brother 9/Brawler(fighter) 4. Gives you a great balance of Monk Feats, awesome Brother of the Seal abilities, and the extra damage boost from the Brawler as well as the Fighter feats.

[Kazumetsa]

I assume level 4 is the earliest one can acquire Strong Jaw as a Druid correct? Can a Ranger acquire the same spell? I noticed that Ranger was listed in the spell description.

I'm building that right now to see if it appeals to me. It's a good idea at first glance! Thanks for pointing out the Flurry David. That helps a lot. I'm being as hopeful as possible! :)

Thanks David!

[Kazumetsa]

2d8 Medium -> 4d8 Large -> 6d8 Huge -> Xd8 Gargantuan -> Xd8 Colossal

Base of 2d8 as an IUS Monk + Enlarge + Hands of Stone + Strong Jaw ----

What would the last two damage modifiers be?

Not that I will necessarily take this route(I'd hate to give up Abundant Step + Dimensional Dervish/Savant) but it's an option if I really want to roll dozens of dice for each hit XD

Edit: Actually this doesn't seem possible. I would have to be level 7 as a Druid before I could cast the level 4 spell of Strong Jaw. :T

We are reaching 20 maximum in our campaign.

[prototype00]

4 is for the huge wild shape (with shaping focus), you would have to be lvl 7 to cast strong Jaw (or be a Samsaran, poach it from the Ranger spell list and be lvl 5).

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