| w01fe01 |
I know ultimately the DM's decision is final but i still wanted clarification.
I have a monk/druid gestalt character.
Can you use flurry of blows then secondary attacks?
like turn into a bear, flurry of blows, then bite?
if i can not, is there a way to do so thru feats?
I know of feral combat training, but i was told that would only let me use natural attacks in my flurry of blows, not in addition to.
how are these monk/druids using wildshape then getting massive amounts of attacks?!
| Tarantula |
No you can't. Flurry of blows is its own Full-round action. There is a different full-round action (Full-Round Attack) that lets you use iterative attacks and/or natural attacks in a round. You can't do both actions in a round. There aren't feats that let you do this either. Feral combat training as you said lets you use your natural weapons in a flurry of blows, but you can never take both your FoB attacks and natural attacks in the same round.
| voska66 |
Under Natural Attacks
"You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack."
Under Flurry of Blows
Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
Natural attack can be used in combination with unarmed strike or with melee weapons. Flurry of blows uses unarmed strikes and melee weapons. The action used doesn't matter as long as you are making more than one attack. Flurry of blows is two attacks or more it counts as attacks.
Now there could another reason why you can't, I don't know what it is but it's not because FOB is it's own Full Round Action.
| Rynjin |
damn, so whats the point of me taking feral combat training and all that?
So you can Flurry with your Natural Attacks. You just can't Flurry with a combination of Unarmed Strikes AND Natural Attacks in order to get extra.
@Voska: You conveniently missed this part of the Flurry of Blows description.
"A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks."
| mplindustries |
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damn, so whats the point of me taking feral combat training and all that?
So you can take a form with a single HUGE nasty attack (T-Rex perhaps? There's other megafauna options like that) and then flurry with it.
"Oh, a T-Rex has this awesome bite but it can only attack with it once."
"My Monk T-Rex can attack with it 5 times."
*Head asplode*
| Driver 325 yards |
There actually is one way that you can kind of get around the rule. First, you want to take a form of monk that does not give your flurry of blows (I know sounds weird but stay with me). Next, you take two-weapon fighting which will simulate flurry of blows. Now you can two-weapon fight with your unarmed strikes first and then make attacks with your natural weapons as secondary attacks.
You will have to run the numbers to see if it is worth it. It may be better to just go with flurry of blows and forget the natural weapons.
I don't know if you know this, but you can attack with an unarmed strike in any form.
| w01fe01 |
ok so ive been talking to the DM more, and we have come to the conclusion you guys are right, so that prompts a change in direction.
weapn focus bite+feral combat training to abuse certain animals bite attacks that have secondary features (like poison, grab/trip)
now i just need a list of all animals that have bite attacks.