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"Wow! What's with all the multi-racial guards!"
"It's important to show kids that both blacks and whites, can be subservient to our white demigod"
-Nearyn
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a very serious show with political, sexual, mortal and moral issues. Sometimes, it makes GoT look silly.lol...I'm sure I don't get that one...
A little explanation, if you would?
Just do yourself a favor and start watching MLP:FiM. You won't regret it, and you'll never call it a kids' show again.
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Game of Thrones isn't exactly a mature show.Typical hollywood crap mix of everything in every episode. Don't say I don't watch it but its fantasy tailored to people who don't like fantasy.
Lord of the Rings meets Desperate Housewives.
I mean seriously I'm not prude at all , but the theres a completely not story related sex scene every 20 minutes in every f~$@ing episode.
They should call it F~*$ing Game of f!~&ing Thrones.
There are a wide variety of tastes and styles, and it's only wrong if it doesn't work for you and your group.
Do you run more toward Game of Thrones, or My Little Pathfinder?
Politically?
Regarding sexual matters?
Grittiness/mortality?
Any other aspects?
We run mature games. We don't feel the need for gratuitousness nor are we by nature overly sordid or murderous or cruel... probably the most 'mature' things we've done is in the opening act of Skull and Shackls one of the players was raped by Master Scourge (after a bit of foreshadowing) and then a few days later she, another player and a couple of female NPC's arranged to lure him into a trap where they repeatedly stabbed him to death and then tossed his body overboard. It served a purpose as a uniting act for a group of disparate characters and the repurcussions of that act reverberated throughout that particular character's development for the whole of the AP.
Another time, in the opening act of Rise of the Runelords one of the campaign details was re-written so that a key NPC had a sexual obsession with his half-sister, one they had to rescue her from. Finally, in a homebrew campaign we've had a recurring villian, a female Summoner whom had an openly deviant sexual relationship with her beastial eidolon, though that was something always around the fringes and never directly experienced or dealt with by the party.
But in three years or so of gaming, those are pretty much the only particularly 'mature' scenarios that we've experienced as a party - lesbian and gay relationships take place from time to time between NPC's and occasionally between players and NPC's, but its always for RP flavor and never is it either what defines a character or encounter nor is it ever the focus of our play... just a it would be with hetreosexual relationships.
As far as politics, it has its place - usually in spurts and when it comes up it can be quite involved, but generally my players prefer tactical and strategic challenges to ones that are 100% role-play. Combat is realistic, even skewing the rules from time to time to be so, but no more 'gritty' than your average video game - though we have had on occasion a rather gruesome death of a beloved NPC take place to drive home the impact of a scene or moment.
Game of Thrones isn't exactly a mature show.Typical hollywood crap mix of everything in every episode. Don't say I don't watch it but its fantasy tailored to people who don't like fantasy.
Lord of the Rings meets Desperate Housewives.
I mean seriously I'm not prude at all , but the theres a completely not story related sex scene every 20 minutes in every f%&@ing episode.
They should call it F&!#ing Game of f*##ing Thrones.
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one GoT is a fantasy series non fantasy fans can watch and say that they like fantasy
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Uhh...I guess I never realized little girls were watching such...'intense' shows.
Sorry, it's still not my kind of thing. :p
As to the rest...looks like some interesting campaigns. I've run the gamut...from a very intensely political game (that unfortunately didn't last long. It's hard to find players that are really into the intrigue and maneuvering to put a new corrupt emperor on the throne after deposing of the old corrupt emperor...) to some pretty light-hearted stuff.
One of my favorite games is CoC...another is In Nomine...so you can guess where those go!
On the other side, I've run a game that included my then 8 y/o brother. That was kept pretty mild. :)
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a very serious show with political, sexual, mortal and moral issues. Sometimes, it makes GoT look silly.
I used to look up to you. I guess no one is safe from the equine menace ;)
My games are semi-mature. There'll be prostitutes and issues with morally grey villains and maybe some race issues, but I also through in people that are legitimately more good (or evil). Not like I'm Frank Miller or anything >.>
You know GOT is a book first...which I assume is what the OP is referring too?
why I stopped watching the show, I know what's gonna happen.
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Game of Thrones isn't exactly a mature show.Typical hollywood crap mix of everything in every episode. Don't say I don't watch it but its fantasy tailored to people who don't like fantasy.
Lord of the Rings meets Desperate Housewives.
I mean seriously I'm not prude at all , but the theres a completely not story related sex scene every 20 minutes in every f$%!ing episode.
They should call it F#$*ing Game of f~~+ing Thrones.
If they really don't like fantasy, there are plenty of soap operas...or just plain porn, if that's what they want.
Why would they watch what is...frankly...one of the best mature fantasy stories I've run across, if they don't like fantasy?
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a very serious show with political, sexual, mortal and moral issues. Sometimes, it makes GoT look silly.I used to look up to you. I guess no one is safe from the equine menace ;)
My games are semi-mature. There'll be prostitutes and issues with morally grey villains and maybe some race issues, but I also through in people that are legitimately more good (or evil). Not like I'm Frank Miller or anything >.>
I used to love Miller's work, circa Ronin, etc.
He's really gotten stale, at times.
I do semi- mature but usually not explicit.
I think I find a good medium for my games. Dark enough where there's danger and evil, but not so grim-dark 90's that it's wearing leather. I don't want my games to feel hopeless. I want there to be a chance at changing things, as long as they don't f~&+ up.
We vary from campaign to campaign. Each player wants different things out of it and has less patience for other things. The results are mixed.
Well, half of my party are full on evil and it's a skull and shackles game, so I guess pretty mature content. The barbarian turns people into big pieces of meat, minor npcs die all the time, victims are enslaved and murderer, the works.
As far as sex goes, it doesn't come up all that much.We wouldn't have it on-screen but not because it would be too shocking or anything, it's just not something that would work in the group.
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It's strange that we're culturally attuned, so that we feel awkward when we describe how we "<censored due to aforementioned culture>, and then snuggle after we've made her feel like a woman".
But on the other hand there not half the awkward involved in "jabbing a dagger into the man's flesh, just between his ribs, and tearing fat and sinew apart, then biting hard into soft meat, and tearing a large bloody chunk of fresh human from the writhing body of our almost-dead, partially dismembered adversary, as he gurgles and spasms on the floor, an arrow protruding from the pus-filled, bloody socket that used to contain his right eye."
-Nearyn
Well, I'm a huge fan of '80s schlock, so I like to make fights pretty gorey. Not sure if that's "mature", though.
I shy away from sex simply because it's just needlessly awkward around the table. I mean, if your character has a wife, it's understood that it isn't a sexless marriage, but you just have to say, "My fighter goes and spends some quality time with his wife." You don't have to, like, get all Cinnemax After Dark.
I don't mind sex. I don't go all "Book of Erotic Fantasy" and have people make Endurance checks, but I more just fade-to-black with it.
Rape on the other hand is something I am careful with. That and also human ethnic violence. Both can hit home easily so I try not to just throw them in there without thinking first and making sure my players are okay with it.
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I shy away from sex simply because it's just needlessly awkward around the table. I mean, if your character has a wife, it's understood that it isn't a sexless marriage, but you just have to say, "My fighter goes and spends some quality time with his wife." You don't have to, like, get all Cinnemax After Dark.
Yup...that's about right for most games...most gamers. Not a thing wrong with it.
I don't see a porn PNP RPG selling well. :p
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I don't mind sex. I don't go all "Book of Erotic Fantasy" and have people make Endurance checks, but I more just fade-to-black with it.
Rape on the other hand is something I am careful with. That and also human ethnic violence. Both can hit home easily so I try not to just throw them in there without thinking first and making sure my players are okay with it.
I appreciate the simple fact that you refer to HUMAN ethnic violence. Those kinds of things can be explored, but doing it with goblins and half-orcs makes it a little more comfortable. :)
Well, I'm a huge fan of '80s schlock, so I like to make fights pretty gorey. Not sure if that's "mature", though.
I don't get to run games much anymore, but I enjoy describing the hits on both sides, and once I get going it starts to get gorey. If a battle turns into one of the knock-down drag out variety I can pretty get over the top. A body stabbed twice and killed looks a fair bit different from one stabbed 18 times and killed. I realize that most of my pals don't enjoy the descriptions quite as much as me, but if I can get one of them caught up in it mid battle then thats a little bit of immersion we didn't have before. Its the same reason I work on my important NPCs. Voice, motivation, and background (VMB) help keep them from being forgettable.
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Sex and violence has nothing to do with maturity.Including it in your games and then calling it mature is just silly.
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I was about to harp on you but... well, love the avatar name.
You are right that sex and violence don't make a game mature, and neither does intrigue or politics. How these issues are handled by the group, however, can.
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Sex and violence has nothing to do with maturity.Including it in your games and then calling it mature is just silly.
They're generally considered mature subjects. Playing Pathfinder: Porky's isn't a mature game...but there is a sexual side to most of us that can be a part of a game, especially in a very political game.
Violence? I don't think anybody plays a specifically non-violent game of Pathfinder, but I could be wrong. 90% of the content of the books is about violence.
PG-13.
I actually agree with the Smug Narcissist. Sex and Violence, even a gratuitous amount, won't make your game mature. Take, for instance, God of War. While I love the game dearly and is rated M, it's a really immature mature rating. It's all fountains of blood and naked women.
Maturity is a fleeting, complex concept that I don't think can be nailed down by "Do you? Y/N"
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PG-13 or PG, depending on subject.
Violence? PG-13.
Sexual content? PG.
Mostly because we came here for violence, not that.
Generally I run semi-mature. While in school, we had a former Sealous (SP) Scout as a GM who got damn specific. When he came to play in my world, he wanted to continue, but was running a Wizard. After a few nights, he learned the basics of RP and table manners. Still not sure he ever got over the whole personal vs character knowledge conundrum.
It usually wanders in a campaign, as players push and pull the storyline. I've had a grim slash and hack group running on weekends and a Sunday afternoon 'tea party with cookies' for a friend's kids on Sunday after church. The beauty of the system is the elasticity of the rules in dealing with imagination.
{Maturity is a fleeting, complex concept that I don't think can be nailed down by "Do you? Y/N"} Agreed
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My games have gore, political intrigue and some times have moral dilemas. On the other hand sex tends to be ignored or rolled into the single line of "you and x had sex"
I read that last sentence as "Hand sex tends to be ignored. . . ."
Sometimes I shouldn't skim.
There are a wide variety of tastes and styles, and it's only wrong if it doesn't work for you and your group.
Do you run more toward Game of Thrones, or My Little Pathfinder?
Politically?
Regarding sexual matters?
Grittiness/mortality?
Any other aspects?
I run a PG-13 perhaps bordering on R game.
Politically I treat the various gods as representative of different views and attitudes found in the real world and try to explore what it would mean to worship a god of commerce or a goddess of lust and revenge. We even got into children being sold into slavery by poor families as being permitted by Abadar's indifference to the morality of economics (because this kind of thing did happen in some places in history). I am pretty harsh actually in condemning a lot of ugly things that happen or happened in our world. I don't try to get too graphic however.
Sexual matters do come in and we had a long sequence centered at a brothel, but when things start to get intimate I prefer that we fade out on the scene.
Grittiness - we get pretty gritty and sometimes even gory. Recently in a fight an evil cultist tried to sacrifice a child bound to an altar. The half-orc barbarian did a ton of damage and so I ruled he cut her in half and that the halves flew back into the wind wall the main villain was using to protect himself from arrows, thus causing blood and gore to fountain over everyone. Perhaps that was excessive and over the top but kind of played for gross out laughs.
But yeah on the whole PG-13 with some goriness, horror, and adult themes addressed that might push our campaign into an R rating.
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Do you run more toward Game of Thrones, or My Little Pathfinder?
Game of Thrones
Politically?
The entire point of the campaign is that the PC has to increase "faith share" for the demi-goddess who adopted the PC during a "Deity Crisis" or be tossed from the pantheon.
Freeport city politics have played a major role.
The PC unionized Falcon's Hollow's lumberjacks. She also started a "Save the Fey" campaign.
The PC gave a speech on behalf of conscripted goblin pirates at their trial, arguing that they were forced to break maritime law. She ended up with a half dozen of them under her care, which meant that managing goblin insanity to prevent a mutiny became an ongoing plot. HOWEVER, she was able to get one of them to live a better life, and she was thrilled to know that his alignment, when he died, had achieved "Neutral with evil tendencies."
Regarding sexual matters?
Very, very, very mature.
An early adventure, drawn from Dungeon, involved cutting a spider-eater egg out of a live aranea. The abortion due to fetal anomaly metaphor was pretty apparent. Shortly thereafter I introduced birth control to the campaign.
The PC, a bard, is a sailor and has a guy in every port. Sometimes more than one, if the first is unsatisfying. Mind you, this is while she's engaged. The PC is Chaotic Good, FYI.
A cohort was pregnant, we roleplayed a difficult birth, then she had one of her new-born twins stolen by cultists.
A major enemy was Lamashtu, the demon goddess of monstrous births. Her divine agent was an ever-pregnant Mammy Graul in a birthing pool of Lamashtu's milk giving birth several times a day to form a mutated deformed army.
An assassin of Lamashtu caused the PC to miscarry due to the use of the Hag's evil eye.
A backstage murder mystery was resolved when the PC discovered she was sleeping with the murderer. Ironically, he wasn't very good in bed with her, despite using seduction as a major tool in his plan. I explained that he was "stretched thin" shall we say.
The PC's fiancee was kidnapped by vampires for several months, made their plaything while dominated.
The PC's goddess seduced the demigod of tiny biting flies to provide protection to the PC during a swamp adventure.
Grittiness/mortality?
Two significant, beloved NPCs died.
Any other aspects?
A slavery cult mixing Zon-Kuthon and 1e's Slaver's Stockade was a main bad guy. Their plan to spread the faith was to start a drug addiction epidemic. It worked very well for a long time.
Still on the docket: Cheliax and Dagon. Gonna get grittier.
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There are a wide variety of tastes and styles, and it's only wrong if it doesn't work for you and your group.
Do you run more toward Game of Thrones, or My Little Pathfinder?
Politically?
Regarding sexual matters?
Grittiness/mortality?
Any other aspects?
I run a PG-13 perhaps bordering on R game.
Politically I treat the various gods as representative of different views and attitudes found in the real world and try to explore what it would mean to worship a god of commerce or a goddess of lust and revenge. We even got into children being sold into slavery by poor families as being permitted by Abadar's indifference to the morality of economics (because this kind of thing did happen in some places in history). I am pretty harsh actually in condemning a lot of ugly things that happen or happened in our world. I don't try to get too graphic however.
Sexual matters do come in and we had a long sequence centered at a brothel, but when things start to get intimate I prefer that we fade out on the scene.
Grittiness - we get pretty gritty and sometimes even gory. Recently in a fight an evil cultist tried to sacrifice a child bound to an altar. The half-orc barbarian did a ton of damage and so I ruled he cut her in half and that the halves flew back into the wind wall the main villain was using to protect himself from arrows, thus causing blood and gore to fountain over everyone. Perhaps that was excessive and over the top but kind of played for gross out laughs.
But yeah on the whole PG-13 with some goriness, horror, and adult themes addressed that might push our campaign into an R rating.
I like the level of political play in your game. I've tried a more political game a few times, but only once did it really work...I'd love something similar to Game of Thrones, and the maneuvering there...or even worse...but not many people like playing on that level. Some day I gotta play Kingmaker.
I like psychological horror in general. That means blood, yes, but I don't like slasher stuff. I do like weird - as weird as possible, and I do like making my players feel ill-at-ease when dealing with particular horrors such as major boss fights. I do not shy away from so-called "Body Horror." I like creatures composed of limbs and organs and what-not.
I am a big Silent Hill fan. I love David Cronenberg and David Lynch.
This is not to say that I don't run "normal" fantasy adventures - I do. But in terms of the level of maturity in the themes and images at the table, we get thematically mature. We definitely wander into R-rated material in terms of the visual and visceral.
On the other hand, though my whole group are kings and queens of dirty jokes, sexuality, character-wise is as rare a theme as you can imagine. As for myself, I think implied sexuality, including some level of possible abuse, is much more effective than anything you can do on-screen. Psychological horror often relies on terrible secrets for a lot of its power, and so sexual themes, though subtle and downplayed, do haunt my games around the periphery and in the background.
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Do you run more toward Game of Thrones, or My Little Pathfinder?Game of Thrones
Politically?The entire point of the campaign is that the PC has to increase "faith share" for the demi-goddess who adopted the PC during a "Deity Crisis" or be tossed from the pantheon.
Freeport city politics have played a major role.
The PC unionized Falcon's Hollow's lumberjacks. She also started a "Save the Fey" campaign.
The PC gave a speech on behalf of conscripted goblin pirates at their trial, arguing that they were forced to break maritime law. She ended up with a half dozen of them under her care, which meant that managing goblin insanity to prevent a mutiny became an ongoing plot. HOWEVER, she was able to get one of them to live a better life, and she was thrilled to know that his alignment, when he died, had achieved "Neutral with evil tendencies."
Regarding sexual matters?Very, very, very mature.
An early adventure, drawn from Dungeon, involved cutting a spider-eater egg out of a live aranea. The abortion due to fetal anomaly metaphor was pretty apparent. Shortly thereafter I introduced birth control to the campaign.
The bard is a sailor and has a guy in every port. Sometimes more than one, if the first is unsatisfying. Mind you, this is while she's engaged. The PC is Chaotic Good, FYI.
A cohort was pregnant, we roleplayed a difficult birth, then she had one of her new-born twins stolen by cultists.
A major enemy was Lamashtu, the demon goddess of monstrous births. Her divine agent was an ever-pregnant Mammy Graul in a birthing pool of Lamashtu's milk giving birth several times a day to form a mutated deformed army.
An assassin of Lamashtu caused the PC to miscarry due to the use of the Hag's evil eye.
A backstage murder mystery was resolved when the PC discovered she was sleeping with the murderer. Ironically, he wasn't very good in bed with her, despite using seduction as a major tool in his...
Man. I'd love your game...see, THAT'S a sexually mature game. Sounds like you get into the grittiness like I do...maybe the political game, too!