Bladebound magus


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Ok. I have a lashunta bladebound magus, and i was wondering. Is the sword a faimilar, or just a regular int blade. And if it is a familiar, can i give it the celestial template? If so, how?

Dark Archive

This probably belongs in the Rules Questions thread.
The black blade is an intelligent blade, per RAW. The archetype description also says that the bladebound magus may not have a familiar of any kind, even from another class.


Is the blade considered a familiar?

Grand Lodge

No, the blade is not considered a familiar so no celestial template, but is considered a combatant so you can't gain a celestial familiar either.

Dark Archive

RAW says, quite specifically, that a bladebound magus may not have a familiar of any kind. If the black blade were a familiar, then the bladebound magus would have a familiar. Therefore, the black blade is not a familiar.


Ok. Is a lashunta good for magus(male)?


I prefer dex built magus, but charisma is a dump and strength is always a plus for strength builds. Stats work, but its actual racial traits don't have much synergy with the magus beyond involving intelligence.

The bladebound is not a familiar, it is sort of both if you know how the intelligent item rules work. There isn't a real reason to give it the celestial template I know, but you can flavor it as being celestial if you would like.


What would happen if i made it celestial


darkorbit wrote:
What would happen if i made it celestial

Pretty much nothing because its not a living creature and items aren't celestial.


What template would change the blade?


darkorbit wrote:
What template would change the blade?

+1 and keen and other enchants. The blade itself is just a blade. Your free to flavor the blade however you like. An intelligent item isn't a creature that you can fight. Its not animated and has no physical scores. It is however sentient and thinking and capable of speech if I remember correctly.


I just had to post this link. Had to.

BOC/Blackblade.


I thoguht with good str and int, with some magic abilities and telepathies, and bonus to knowledge skill, lashunta are a good for magus(male). What is everyone elses opinion on the lashunta for magus(male)?

Dark Archive

huh

black blades are not creatures. no templates, no changes, you only get the things on the chart. it cant be a celestial, anthromorphic, half dragon, cant take levels in classes on its own, have no str score, ect

you are very mistaken on your interpretation of this item/class feature


What about the lashunta? Answer that question too plz

Dark Archive

meh. id use tiefling, elf, or human with dual stat option


+2 str, +2 int, -2 wis is good for Magus.

The rest of their abilities doesn't really affect the choice for Magus one way or another really. Telepathy is nice I suppose, but would be nice for any class really.

It doesn't have an alternate favorite class bonus, so other races might have the advantage there (don't really know).

In other words: There are many far worse choices for a magus than that, but maybe a few better ones as well (though I doubt it will be much superior).
If you want to play them, go ahead.


low wisdom is not advised with the black blade you need good will saves to counter its ego


Darkflame wrote:
low wisdom is not advised with the black blade you need good will saves to counter its ego

You decide the black blades motive though. It also always is a fragment of your own personality, and is your own alignment. There's a little sidebar on the black blade that explains all this.


MrSin wrote:
Darkflame wrote:
low wisdom is not advised with the black blade you need good will saves to counter its ego
You decide the black blades motive though. It also always is a fragment of your own personality, and is your own alignment. There's a little sidebar on the black blade that explains all this.

Which explains it can have its own mission, not that the player decides it. In fact, I believe it's totally up the DM fiat what it is

The only thing is it's always your alignment when you get it and it's got some similar personality quirks as you. You change though, it might not be as happy... Or it might change with you. Again, DM fiat fills in a large part of the BB's flavor.

Edit: Here's the sidebar.

Spoiler:
A black blade is a particular form of intelligent weapon gained by a magus with the bladebound archetype. There are several ways a magus might gain this weapon. Sometimes it just appears among the magus’s possessions, and its origin is a mystery. Other times the magus finds a black blade during an adventure or event of some kind. Sometimes a black blade is passed down generation to generation in an ongoing search for a magus who can unlock its true potential.

A black blade is always a one-handed slashing weapon, a rapier, or a sword cane. The magus chooses the blade’s type upon gaining the blade, and once chosen, it can’t be changed. As a bladebound magus increases in level, his black blade gains power.

A black blade is independently conscious but features some personality traits reflecting its wielder. A black blade always has the same alignment as its wielder and even changes its alignment if its wielder does. The blade typically works toward its wielder’s goals, but not always without argument or backlash. Each black blade has a mission, and while sometimes two or more black blades will work in concert, each mission is singular in purpose (the black blade’s mission is usually up to the GM and the needs of the campaign or the adventure, or a GM can determine the weapon’s purpose randomly using Table: Intelligent Item Purpose). Some black blades are very open about their missions, but most are secretive. Certain sages have speculated that an invisible hand or arcane purpose moves these weapons.


Here's the quote.

PFSRD wrote:
A black blade is independently conscious but features some personality traits reflecting its wielder. A black blade always has the same alignment as its wielder and even changes its alignment if its wielder does. The blade typically works toward its wielder’s goals, but not always without argument or backlash. Each black blade has a mission, and while sometimes two or more black blades will work in concert, each mission is singular in purpose (the black blade’s mission is usually up to the GM and the needs of the campaign or the adventure, or a GM can determine the weapon’s purpose randomly using Table: Intelligent Item Purpose). Some black blades are very open about their missions, but most are secretive. Certain sages have speculated that an invisible hand or arcane purpose moves these weapons.

Its up to what you decide between the GM and you. Personally I'd place that power within the player rather than rolling on a table or trying to make the game more "interesting". Easier to make the mission fun and let the player choose it than make it myself.

Whatever the case is, its a fragment of your personality and is your alignment so its not going to be nearly as bad as a CE blade that takes over and turns you on the party. Unless your suicidal and that happens to be your black blade...

Edit: Your edit ninja'd mine.


actualy it states that black blades mostly dont reaveal their true objectives wich makes it more likeley the wielder doese not know what the black blade wants in wich case its better for the GM to decide

but ofc the alignment of the BB is same as yours so when you make a dicision against your alignment like when you are NG and want to torture an enemy your BB might just drop from your hand


Darkflame wrote:

actualy it states that black blades mostly dont reaveal their true objectives wich makes it more likeley the wielder doese not know what the black blade wants in wich case its better for the GM to decide

but ofc the alignment of the BB is same as yours so when you make a dicision against your alignment like when you are NG and want to torture an enemy your BB might just drop from your hand

We can read the side bar. We don't need additional input on it. At that point its up to the GM and player. I already stated my opinion on it.

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