beast totem rage and two handed weapon..barbarian. yes? no?


Rules Questions


I have a barbarian who wanted to use a two handed weapon with the beast totem rage power.

Is this possible? Our GM is pretty lax if we can find a way to work it in the game, but I don't know enough to make the call. Any advice?

I want him to use it, but I'm blade.

Help! Haha.

Thanks!


Why wouldn't it work? You can still wield weapons when you have claws. Natural armor has nothing to do with weapon wielding. And pounce is all of the attacks you would make if you performed a full attack.


MrSin wrote:
Why wouldn't it work? You can still wield weapons when you have claws. Natural armor has nothing to do with weapon wielding. And pounce is all of the attacks you would make if you performed a full attack.

I meant could you swing a two handed weapon and still use claw attack after? Basically.. if that makes sense.


Oh! No. Your hands are busy. The attacks would be made at a -5 and be light weapons you can't enchant without an AoMF so they wouldn't do much anyway.


MrSin wrote:
Oh! No. Your hands are busy. The attacks would be made at a -5 and be light weapons you can't enchant without an AoMF so they wouldn't do much anyway.

Heh, no sweet way around it eh? Rough... thanks!


Well... Unless you sponteously grow extra arms no. But if you can pull that off....


Growing extra arms is surprisingly easy in PF. Alchemist and Synth. Summoner both can at very low levels (2 and 1, respectively). It's best to just ignore the claws and put off the lesser totem for a while, though. Once you can get beast totem for nat armor, it's sort of worth 2 rage powers and you may want to pick both up. Just make sure you have them by level 9, because Greater is the real prize and you want to take that ASAP.


Where is my drink wrote:

I have a barbarian who wanted to use a two handed weapon with the beast totem rage power.

Is this possible? Our GM is pretty lax if we can find a way to work it in the game, but I don't know enough to make the call. Any advice?

I want him to use it, but I'm blade.

Help! Haha.

Thanks!

You want to read something funny? I'm in a PFS game and the DM allowed a player with the Titan Mauler AT and Beast Totem to not only use two greatswords in each hand, he's also allowing him to get the two claw attacks on his feat, but forcing him to lie on his back. ROFL.

As to your question, I saw a post that even if you have vestigial arms, "primary" claw attacks are always on the main hands. The rules state you can't use claw attack while using a single-handed weapon in that hand...however...I think I saw a FAQ that says it's a free action to take your hand off of a two-handed weapon and put it back on. Technically, it seems that it might be possible. For fairness, maybe not.


N N 959 wrote:
As to your question, I saw a post that even if you have vestigial arms, "primary" claw attacks are always on the main hands.

And that's fine, you can just wield the greatsword (or whatever) in your vestigial hands. If you attack with *any* manufactured weapon using your normal iterative attacks for BAB, any natural attacks you have become secondary natural attacks. By default. It doesn't matter what hands have the claws on them.


I wasn't even aware that pounce from this rage power could be used with manufactured weapons. Is that really with 100% certainty the case?

It seems to me it was meant to be used with the natural attacs you grow from the same rage powers line.


Pounce is used for either natural attacks or manufactured. Its very easy to get 4 natural attacks off with a barbarian. In 3.5 there was a class that got pounce at level 1 and didn't have any natural attacks.

It was likely intended to follow a theme of being ferocious and charging into melee, probably with the claws. Natural attacks aren't as exciting as a greatsword to me though.


I believe James Jacob made a comment about how the Barbarian's Greater Beast Totem power does not work with iterative attacks. So you could get a 2 handed weapon, claw, bite (maybe some other attacks). However, as the rules are written it is legal (if not intended) to be able to make all your iterative attacks on a charge pounce. I don't think it's ever been officially errata'd and I can't recall which thread JJ made the statement in. If however, the change becomes official it moves Beast Totem line from a must have to merely ok as greater beast totem sucks without itteratives, but the large natural armor bonus from beast totem is still a nice bonus, but you would probably see people taking other rage powers instead.


This is what your refering to I think Claxon. Its worked with iteratives forever. Big cat druid companions can even get an iterative of their own with multiattack.

Its always worked with iteratives. Unless they rewrite pounce it does work with iteratives. Martials need nice things though, and they tend to fall behind when not full attacking. Fluff wise I can totally see someone pouncing on someone and performing 4 attacks in quick succession.


just for the record, the rule that you cannot use claws, then use those claws to weild a weapon and attack with it, is here

prd wrote:
Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack's original type.


MrSin wrote:

This is what your refering to I think Claxon. Its worked with iteratives forever. Big cat druid companions can even get an iterative of their own with multiattack.

Its always worked with iteratives. Unless they rewrite pounce it does work with iteratives. Martials need nice things though, and they tend to fall behind when not full attacking. Fluff wise I can totally see someone pouncing on someone and performing 4 attacks in quick succession.

As someone who doesn't like to play casters I'm all about Pounce and Robila...I mean Come and Get Me. I like the current ruling the Pounce works with iteratives, I just wanted to state that there has been some indication that the intention is not for Pounce to work with iteratives.

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