Can you dual wield flame blades?
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You also can't use the feat if what you're attacking with is not a real for-goodness scimitar.rod of lesser quicken metamagic for flame blade as a swift action?
Dervish Dance feat says: "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."
Q: is a rod of lesser quicken metamagic a weapon for this purpose??
Flame blade specifically states it is wielded as a scimitar. Any feats that require a scimitar work with it.
However Dervish dance still doesn't work for Dex to damage because you use your Dex modifier instead of your Str modifier to damage, but Flame Blade doesn't allow Str modifier to damage. It will allow you to finesse the Flame Blade though.
A 3-foot-long, blazing beam of red-hot fire springs forth from your hand. You wield this blade-like beam as if it were a scimitar. Attacks with the flame blade are melee touch attacks. The blade deals 1d8 points of fire damage + 1 point per two caster levels (maximum +10). Since the blade is immaterial, your Strength modifier does not apply to the damage. A flame blade can ignite combustible materials such as parchment, straw, dry sticks, and cloth.
Can you dual wield flame blades?
Why not? a scimitar is a one-handed weapon. You'll be looking at -4/-4 with TWF but get to hit touch.
Quite an investment, but if you get Weapon Focus (Scimitar), weapon finesse and Slashing Grace, you can use dex to attack.I'm thinking of a rogue with a Wand of Flameblade. Unchained rogue gets Finesse for free and Weapon Training as a Talent. By lvl 5 you might be able to afford the wand (4500gp).
slashin grace doesnt work with the scimitar, as it's not finessable
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You also can't use the feat if what you're attacking with is not a real for-goodness scimitar.rod of lesser quicken metamagic for flame blade as a swift action?
Dervish Dance feat says: "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."
Q: is a rod of lesser quicken metamagic a weapon for this purpose??
Flame blade specifically states it is wielded as a scimitar. Any feats that require a scimitar work with it.
However Dervish dance still doesn't work for Dex to damage because you use your Dex modifier instead of your Str modifier to damage, but Flame Blade doesn't allow Str modifier to damage. It will allow you to finesse the Flame Blade though.
I think this puts nail in the coffin for that build; similarly would prevent the unchained rogue to use finesse training's dex to damage on this...
No.
Samsaran is the only way to add the Flame Blade spell to another spell list.
With Dervish Dance, you would be able to use dexterity for attack rolls, but not damage.
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Scroll down until you get to Sarenrae's unique spell rules.No.
Samsaran is the only way to add the Flame Blade spell to another spell list.
With Dervish Dance, you would be able to use dexterity for attack rolls, but not damage.
That's newer than my quote.
Gods and Magic gave Flame Blade to followers of Sarenrae since 2008, Inner Sea Gods expanded that list.
Another recent option is the Voice of the Wild Bard that adds Druid/Ranger spells to his list
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I don't mean to be a bother, but is there an official source yet saying that no Str to damage = no Dex to damage? Same for half Dex to damage for off-hand attacks.
Please do not tell me it's self-evident, or that it's not RAI. I'm just curious if either of these have been set explicitly in stone.
Thank you! :)
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I don't mean to be a bother, but is there an official source yet saying that no Str to damage = no Dex to damage? Same for half Dex to damage for off-hand attacks.
Please do not tell me it's self-evident, or that it's not RAI. I'm just curious if either of these have been set explicitly in stone.
Thank you! :)
You have nothing to replace.
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You have nothing to replace.I don't mean to be a bother, but is there an official source yet saying that no Str to damage = no Dex to damage? Same for half Dex to damage for off-hand attacks.
Please do not tell me it's self-evident, or that it's not RAI. I'm just curious if either of these have been set explicitly in stone.
Thank you! :)
I'm not arguing that your point is invalid. But, do we have anything else yet? Or is that the whole of it?
I do notice that the Unchained rogue's Finesse Training has language explicitly saying so, where Dervish Dance, Slashing Grace, and the agile weapon property do not. :)
Also, what of the second point? Dervish Dance obviously makes this irrelevant, and the agile property makes it clear, but neither Finesse Training nor Slashing Grace make any statements about off-hand damage.
You have nothing to replace.I don't mean to be a bother, but is there an official source yet saying that no Str to damage = no Dex to damage? Same for half Dex to damage for off-hand attacks.
Please do not tell me it's self-evident, or that it's not RAI. I'm just curious if either of these have been set explicitly in stone.
Thank you! :)
I'm not arguing that your point is invalid. But, do we have anything else yet? Or is that the whole of it?
I do notice that the Unchained rogue's Finesse Training has language explicitly saying so, where Dervish Dance, Slashing Grace, and the agile weapon property do not. :)
Also, what of the second point? Dervish Dance obviously makes this irrelevant, and the agile property makes it clear, but neither Finesse Training nor Slashing Grace make any statements about off-hand damage.
They say that you use dexterity instead of strength for damage, thus it's modified the same way strength would be modified unless stated otherwise by the property that gives you dex to damage (as the agile weapon calls out that you do not get an increased bonus for going two-handed)
Voice of the Wild sounds fun - but I wouldn't want to be stuck with that class for my whole advancement. Can anyone think of a Prestige class for a Meleeing Arcane caster? I though of the Eldrich Knight but you don't get much out of it.
If Dervish Bards (either Archetype) could take Flame Blade as a level 2 spell everything would be perfect.
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I'm also rather fond of the idea of a character who uses Flame Blade as a mainstay weapon.
I'd start with a Warpriest, though, since you can get tons of self-buffs like the +4/+4 (with Fate's Favored) of Divine Favor, +2 from Weapon Specialization, and Holy from Sacred Weapon (though you'd presumably also need a +1 from Magic Weapon first). Along with a Haste effect (from Divine Power, Blessing of Fervor, or a friendly arcane caster), we're starting to look at some serious damage. The downside is that you need to pre-buff for several rounds to set this up, and you'll have to use a wand of Flame Blade until you get the spell via Sarenrae at 7th. Once you do, though, you can Empower it for something like 1.5 * (1d8+5) + 4 + 2 + 1 + 2d6 = 28 damage per hit at 10th level, or 85 damage per hasted full round with pretty much 100% hit chance. Not too shabby.
(Realistically, though, that's also the kind of damage a Warpriest can get with a mundane weapon under those buffs, with the advantage of bypassing SR and fire resistance and not needing to pre-buff. But I guess we're doing this for the coolness factor, and maybe for that one enemy with a ridiculous AC.)
Does anyone know whether the critical range of Flame Blade is that of a scimitar, or of a typical touch spell? Makes a rather big difference. EDIT: Oh, found the thread, never mind.
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(1d8+5) + 4 + 2 + 1 + 2d6 = 28 damage per hit at 10th level, or 85 damage per hasted full round with pretty much 100% hit chance. Not too shabby.
We have VERY different definitions of shabby
I consider that damage pretty low for level 10 full round hasted attack after rounds of prebuffing. A combat focused warpriest should have closer to 120-140 damage by then
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