Can I downgrade my 'standard' action into a full round action?

[DaddyGoat]

The question is, 'Can you take a full attack action to complete a normal standard action?'

You first might have asked, 'why in the hell would you want to do that?'

What I am thinking is this:

I would love to cast my Weird Words (standard Action) and cast it as a full attack action. This would let me use the feat Hammer the Gap on it!

Hammer the Gap (Combat)
You repeatedly strike the same location, causing increasing amounts of damage.

Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +6.

Benefit: When you take a full-attack action, each consecutive hit against the same opponent deals extra damage equal to the number of previous consecutive hits you have made against that opponent this turn. This damage is multiplied on a critical hit.

Thoughts?

[bookrat]

No.

[BillyGoat]

Yeah, no.

A standard action is a standard action. And casting a spell is never making a full-attack, as both have a specific definition. Even spells which take a full-round to cast are not full-attacks. They're just full-round actions.

[mplindustries]

BillyGoat wrote:

Yeah, no.

A standard action is a standard action. And casting a spell is never making a full-attack, as both have a specific definition. Even spells which take a full-round to cast are not full-attacks. They're just full-round actions.

This is correct in that you cannot use Hammer the Gap with Weird Words.

I just wanted to point out that Weird Words was a Supernatural ability, not a spell.

[DaddyGoat]

Didn't think I could, was just seeing if there was a loop hole out there. Thanks guys.

[BillyGoat]

mplindustries wrote:

BillyGoat wrote:

Yeah, no.

A standard action is a standard action. And casting a spell is never making a full-attack, as both have a specific definition. Even spells which take a full-round to cast are not full-attacks. They're just full-round actions.

This is correct in that you cannot use Hammer the Gap with Weird Words.

I just wanted to point out that Weird Words was a Supernatural ability, not a spell.

Fair enough, I didn't have the time to look it up, but it seemed pretty clear it was a spell/supernatural ability/spell-like ability, and not an attack, so I went with the most normative option for player characters.

[blackbloodtroll]

Conductive Weapon.

[DaddyGoat]

So you can get a Conductive short bow... and once a round use Weird words through your bow attack?

If you miss with the bow attack do you not get to use the weird word attacks?

This seems crazy!

[DaddyGoat]

Also, was it ever ruled if Point Blank Shot/Precise Shot/Arcane Strike/Good Hope/Prayer and any other feats/spells that increase weapon damage, do they actually help weird words?

[Quatar]

Even if you could do your Weird Words as a full-round action (some GM's might allow it), then it is still not a full-ATTACK action.

To clarify:
Full-round actions are a type of action, that takes up both standard and move action. There are many different kinds of them.
Full-attack actions are just one of those special kind of full-round action, where you use your respective weapon to do more than one attack.

Or:
All chicken (full-attack actions) are birds (full-round action). Not all birds are chicken.

[Darkflame]

yeah you are trying to use a combat feat for su or spell actions they are not the same! ;-)