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http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advanced/magicItems/wondrousItems.html
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fig hter-archetypes/lore-warden
It is obvious that the Lore Warden no longer has the Armor Training ability of the general Fighter. It is replaced. If one were to wear a Sash of the War Champion, what would happen? Nothing, because he does not any of the two abilities? Or would I get the replaced abilities.
I guess I am wandering about the feat, less than I am wandering about the lvl 7 replacement that I want.
If a Lore Warden wore the Sash of the War champion, he'd be treated as a Lore Warden that was 4 levels higher for the purposes of Armor Training and Bravery. So, uh, you'get nothing because Lore Warden's don't have those abilities.
I think you need to find the legendary Sash of the Lore Champion to do what you want.
What about the substitutes for those abilities like Know Thy Enemy?
This is going to look snarky in type, but I assure you it is not meant that way:
Does the Sash of the War Champion say that it increases your effective level for "Know Thy Enemy?" No, it says it increases your level for Bravery and Armor Training. Things in the game do exactly what they say they do and no more.
there exist he claim that expertise do not replace the entire bravery class feature but just bravery 1 at level two therefore lore warderns have bravery 1 at level 6. So the sash would add to the bravery class feature.
My personal opinion is... who cares?there is no point in arguing such a minor bonus.
If you look at the Fighter level chart, Armor Training and Weapon Training are present multiple times. Bravery is there only once. I would suggest, then, that there is only one Bravery, while there are multiple Armor and Weapon trainings.
However, as you said, it's such an insignificant bonus, I wouldn't really care if someone ruled differently.
seems to me that the lore warden only loses the first level of bravery...so if he had the sash and was 2nd level, he'd count as 6th, and would have bravery 1.
Ok, again, this is a really weak ability and it doesn't change the power level of the chracter to suddenly get +1 to saves against fear or whatever, but since the main question is answered, I think it's ok to start this here.
There are not multiple levels of Bravery. There is only one level of Bravery that increases in power as you level.
Ok, again, this is a really weak ability and it doesn't change the power level of the chracter to suddenly get +1 to saves against fear or whatever, but since the main question is answered, I think it's ok to start this here.
There are not multiple levels of Bravery. There is only one level of Bravery that increases in power as you level.
You are mistaken.
If an archetype replaces a class feature that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter's weapon training or a ranger's favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue's +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, when she reaches 5th level and gains a sneak attack bonus, her sneak attack doesn't jump from +1d6 to +3d6—it improves to +2d6, just as if she had finally gained the increase at 3rd level. This adjustment continues for every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue.
1st +0 +0 +2 +0 Sneak attack +1d6, trapfinding
2nd +1 +0 +3 +0 Evasion, rogue talent
3rd +2 +1 +3 +1 Sneak attack +2d6, trap sense +1
Expertise (Ex): At 2nd level, a lore warden gains Combat Expertise as a bonus feat, even if he would not normally qualify for this feat. This ability replaces bravery 1.
2nd +2 +3 +0 +0 Bonus feat, bravery +1
3rd +3 +3 +1 +1 Armor training 1
4th +4 +4 +1 +1 Bonus feat
5th +5 +4 +1 +1 Weapon training 1
6th +6/+1 +5 +2 +2 Bonus feat, bravery +2
You are mistaken.
I am, but not because of all the rules you quoted that I knew. ;)
I am mistaken because the official prd and the d20pfsrd have different level charts. The one I was referencing lists Bravery once. The official one apparently lists it every 4 levels. Silly me for not even thinking of checking a second site.
So, yes, turns out each level of it is a different ability. Oops.
I have a question in line with this.
The Mobile Fighter Archetype gains Armor Training 1 and 2 at 3rd and 7th level, but replaces Armor Training 3 and 4.
How would a Sash of the War Champion affect a 7th level Mobile Fighter's Armor Training?
I have a question in line with this.
The Mobile Fighter Archetype gains Armor Training 1 and 2 at 3rd and 7th level, but replaces Armor Training 3 and 4.
How would a Sash of the War Champion affect a 7th level Mobile Fighter's Armor Training?
You'd function as an 11th level Mobile Fighter for the purposes of Armor Training--i.e. you'd get nothing. If you put it on between 3rd and 6th, though, you'd get Armor Training 2.
You are mistaken.I am, but not because of all the rules you quoted that I knew. ;)
I am mistaken because the official prd and the d20pfsrd have different level charts. The one I was referencing lists Bravery once. The official one apparently lists it every 4 levels. Silly me for not even thinking of checking a second site.
So, yes, turns out each level of it is a different ability. Oops.
Well you didn't know one of the rules I cited! I think I deserve some credit for that. ;P
Seriously though the d20pfsrd is not a good source for PFS questions. You should always use the PRD when you can (and PDFs of the books that aren't on it; I had to look up the Field Guide reference). I just wish Google would get that straight and put the PRD above the PFSRD in search results.