Personally, I would swap dex and str unless you are going with archery, and con and cha keeping the +2 on con. Archery certainly isn't a bad option, but you will need to be close to deliver your plethora of touch spells... Also, if you put the +2 on your dex, you could build a reach cleric to maximize your action economy potential.
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Hmm if u dont mind being evil i would highly suggest a Human with the Racial Heritage feat to be considered an Elf. Class would be Oracle with the Archetypes Black-Blooded and Ancient Lorekeeper taking the Bones Mystery. Have ur stats focus in Str and Cha and pick up the Eldrich Heritage feats for the Sorcerer Orc Bloodline. If done right at end game u will have a 38 str when u hulk out and 32 the rest of the time. Other than brute str u can summon and animate the Dead u and the party slay for extra firepower. Not to mention thanks to Lorekeeper u get some spells from the Sorcerer/Wizard list to use as u see git giving u a bit more of versatility.
I'd consider going for an Inquisitor or Ranger. Both fighting and probably face skills are well covered, but your group really needs the "general" skills - perception, scouting, perhaps nature and animal skills. Then there's the healing - you'll want at least wand access, but proper divine spellcasting would be good. A bard might work as well. I really feel that the lack of skills will hurt more than the lack of full spellcasting - and a bard or inquisitor do a proper job at covering that most of the way.
Edit: you could go Druid. Full spellcasting, and if you can find a trait to give you a few handy extra class skills you've got it all covered.
My thoughts are that you could go with a life oracle as well. Being a spontaneous caster in this small party will work in your favor. You could also be the face of the party with the higher CHA requirement of an oracle.
With those stats, just break the bank. Build a battling life oracle!
Str: 18
Dex: 16
Con: 12
Int: 14
Wis: 12
Cha: 16 (+2)
This gets you 6 skills, all the combat/ healing you could ask for, and better all around class features. If you happened to want to dip paladin 2, then you would be nigh unstoppable in your mithril full plate, hvy shield, and scimitar (er whatever floats your boat)
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I disagree with those supporting battle clerics or oracles. As good as they would be with your stats, I think it would be better if you devote more to spell casting and social skills, as you have two heavily melee combat focused characters. I'm not saying no combat skills, just not a priority. Oracle can definitely pull the versatility off, especially with mystery spells like Black Tentacles, while keeping decent healing. The other I'd suggest is Druid, since it gets full spell casting and the wild shape still allows you to be melee viable.
Right, just what I was going to say. Let them have most of the fun dealing damage. You boost & heal.
I agree with Kiiyan and DrDeth. Let the new player and the avid Cavalier have a chance to shine in combat.
Maybe a witch for full arcane casting, but still having access to CLW (and wands of it).
Your cleric is great, but you do lack arcane power. Anyone have ranks in UMD? If so, the cleric is a great addition to the two melee fighters.
You might find the witch to be more versatile than a bard as far as casting goes; but if you need Knowledge checks, bard is the better choice.
An archer-rogue type would also be useful- UMD, traps, sneak attack.
EDIT: Right, missed the "archer-in-other-games" part. Whoops!
My thoughts are that you could go with a life oracle as well. Being a spontaneous caster in this small party will work in your favor. You could also be the face of the party with the higher CHA requirement of an oracle.
Our Serpent's Skull campaign has a Life Oracle/Tongues curse. He's awesome. Except for his saves. His Diplomacy
Your two warrior types will love your bard performance buffs, you can get some healing with a bard, and while the spells are not overly powerful, with some imagination can be very useful. And as mentioned, your party lacks skills, and a bard would cover that very well.
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My suggestion Bard. It can cover all the holes you need filled.
Why play a Bard?
Because your the best support class.
Because your the best party face.
Because your one of the best skill monkeys.
Because you can heal and cast arcane spells.
Str 12
Dex 20 (18+2human)
Con 14
Int 16
Wis 12
Cha 16
Skill's ( Favored Class Bonus +1 Skill point.)
Acrobatics, Disable Device, Knowledge(3points per level. Keeping them close to the same rank.) arcana, geography, history, local, nobility, planes, religion. Linguistics, Perception, Perform Oratory, Act. Stealth, Use Magic Device
Feet's
Human:Improved Initiative
1:Lingering Performance
3:Weapon Finesses
5:Quick Draw
7:Two Weapon Fighting
9:Improved Two Weapon Fighting
11:Discordant Voice
Traits
Reactionary
Sacred Touch
The cleric I made has the trait that gives UMD as a class skill. I didn't put ranks in it because I figured the chances of succeeding a check at 1st level is low.Your cleric is great, but you do lack arcane power. Anyone have ranks in UMD? If so, the cleric is a great addition to the two melee fighters.
You might find the witch to be more versatile than a bard as far as casting goes; but if you need Knowledge checks, bard is the better choice.
An archer-rogue type would also be useful- UMD, traps, sneak attack.
EDIT: Right, missed the "archer-in-other-games" part. Whoops!
Sorry, I missed it! UMD is great if you're going with Cha/ willing to give that skill some love (as a half-orc, it's tough!). Witch is a very good choice if you want to handle all the casting duties at once.
stay away from TWF. You're the buffer, stay well-defended with a buckler and sword so you can cast. Ideally, you'll be in combat almost none at all, turning your friends into steroid monsters.
==Aelryinth
Agree with Aelryinth. Let the two warriors take the battle glory, you will be busy with everything else. Once you get money, buy some cheap wands like cure light wounds, and maybe some buffers, so that when you don't have spells to cast, you can use them on your meat shields.
I'd recommend playing an oracle with the Life mystery (for channeling) and the Seeker archetype (from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide) for dealing with traps. That lets you cover the roles of healer, caster, and skill monkey/trap guy without getting too MAD.
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If you don't go with two weapon fighting. All you need to do is replace feet's at level's 3, 5, 7, 9. All the other feet's are for making you a better support character. You could go with archery. And make sure you buy spring loaded wrist sheaths for cure light wound wands.
The reason for two weapon fighting. Dex base is the best way win initiative so you can start buffing. TWF gains the most from bard song and other bard buffing spells. With the exception of haste. I could have taken archery feet's. There are times when archery is not a option. This is the case in most dungeons, or confined spaces. When this happens you need to be combat capable with melee weapons. So the reason for TWF is a lot of time playing this type of character. Weapons used by my bard Rapier/Dagger, and Compost Shot Bow (W/Str Mod).
You'll need to ideally cover the arcane and divine casting roles. Witch is a good idea, Ancient Lorekeeper oracle, Samsaran with Mystic Past Life as a reincarnated oracle or any caster, really, and cherry pick some necessary spells from the other classes. Eldritch Heritage: Arcane for some spells off the wizard list. Lots of UMD. Full caster is very necessary, a bard won't have the necessary spells per day to really play your role
The only oracle that does not get a curse really is the 1 i mentioned above being Black-Blooded. Other than that 1 archetype i find the entire class suck s*** and refuse to even team with 1 when i game.
Out of curiosity, why such the negative view of oracle? Don't like the flavor? Oracles are very very powerful when built well.
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The only oracle that does not get a curse really is the 1 i mentioned above being Black-Blooded. Other than that 1 archetype i find the entire class suck s*** and refuse to even team with 1 when i game.Out of curiosity, why such the negative view of oracle? Don't like the flavor? Oracles are very very powerful when built well.
Any class is very powerful when built right.
I have a negative view of them because of there cures. It might be my luck but the few Oracles ive played with did hardly anything but hinder and eat up party resources. The most memberal of them was the 1 that picked up the Haunted curse and kept on dropping the items it tried to get. At 1 point he dropped the cell key in the storm drain and we had to go down there and get it. Another time he found his way into my alchemical lab and destroyed the place because he dropped an Alchemist fire near the Gunpowder i was creating for the team's Gunslinger. There were a few others but ya they all killed the game for me and i ended up killing there characters with my own 1 point or another for what they did. Except 1 were the DM killed it because monster was too awesome.