Dual wielding earthbreakers


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Ok, so I have been looking at the thunder and fang feat for my two weapon fighter and wanted to make sure i was interpreting this correctly. The feat states I can use an earthbreaker as if it was one handed.
Am I wrong or would I be allowed to use one in my main hand and one in my off hand? I know that this isn't technically in the spirit of the feat, but it is a rather cool image.


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The wording does technically allow it, but between the penalties for using a non-light weapon in your off-hand, and the need to waste a feat on Weapon Focus (Klar), it wouldn't be a very effective build, even if your DM didn't rule that you can only wield an Earthbreaker one-handed if you have a Klar in the other hand.

Grand Lodge

Instead, you could just take two levels in Titan Barbarian.


Two weapon fighter archetype takes care of the non light penalty pretty well, and yes the weapon focus (klar) puts me back one feat.

Not sure about taking titan mauler. Does give some good boosts for a dip but puts me back the two levels on some of the fighter abilities I am actually looking for.

Always glad to have a different route to go for what I want to achieve though.


i guess it would take up a few feats, to negate those twf penalties... i guess you could always enchant them differently. (Law and Justice, anyone? Business and Pleasure? Pain and Panic?)

Grand Lodge

Small sized Earthbreakers?

Really, I am not sure what you are going for.

Scarab Sages

"As long as you are fighting with an earth breaker and a klar (and you make attacks with your klar as your offhand attack), you can fight with both weapons as if you were wielding a double weapon, and retain your shield bonus to your Armor Class granted by your klar. Treat your klar as a light weapon for the purposes of determining your total penalty to attack."

You cannot dual-wield Earthbreakers via Thunder and Fang, because if you are dual wielding Earthbreakers you are not "fighting with an earth breaker and a klar" a prerequisite for the feats ability. They worded it pretty specifically to prevent this. You'll need to look at Titan Mauler for this combo, Thunder and Fang won't do it.

Scarab Sages

Referencing the d20 in your quote did not follow the exact wording to thunder and fang

" You can use an earth breaker as though it were a one-handed weapon. When using an earth breaker in one hand and a klar in your off hand, you retain the shield bonus your klar grants to your Armor Class even when you use it to attack. Treat your klar as a light weapon for the purposes of determining your two-weapon fighting penalty."

Scarab Sages

Cao Phen wrote:

Referencing the d20 in your quote did not follow the exact wording to thunder and fang

" You can use an earth breaker as though it were a one-handed weapon. When using an earth breaker in one hand and a klar in your off hand, you retain the shield bonus your klar grants to your Armor Class even when you use it to attack. Treat your klar as a light weapon for the purposes of determining your two-weapon fighting penalty."

I pulled that from the d20pfsrd, I don't have the Varisia book in front of me right now but I thought they were same.

**EDIT** I see part of my problem, the pfsrd still has the original printing of Thunder and Fang on their site from A History of Ashes, they haven't updated to the most recent printing from Varisia, Birthplace of Legends.


Yeah I am going to play a two-weapon warrior in an upcoming runelords campaign and was looking at the feat as a half Shoanti half Varisian son of a shaman and a harrower (I know why am I playing a non-caster with that background.) looking to unify his peoples. Wanted to go thunder and fang just for the flavor and then low and behold two weapon fight with dual earthbreakers. No more splitting my feats up and it is a pretty decent boost in dmg what with the bonuses from the treating the off hand as light at 11th level.

All and all I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who interpreted it that way. granted it passes on the crit potential of the dual scimitar but it seems to make up for it in consistent dmg as the earthbreakers do almost the same dmg normally as criting with scimitar.

May have to do a work up and see how feasible it is and if it can stand up to the super crit fighting.

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