First level spellcasters and starting spells known

[Chris Braga]

I noticed the iconic wizard Ezren starts play with seven spells in his spellbook and two different spells prepared, so he knows nine in total. However, according to the rules, he should start with a total of 3 + Int Bonus (+4)= 7 spells total.

It's the same for Mogmurch, the pregenerated alchemist from We Be Goblins. He should know 2 + Int Bonus (+2) = 4 extract formulas, but his book holds detect undead, jump, reduce person and true strike, while Mogmurch has prepared cure light wounds and shield, for a total of six formulas known.

So it seems I'm missing something... where do the two extra known starting spells/formulas come from? Or did I stumble upon the same mistake made twice in two different official Paizo sources?

[Drakkiel]

Seems like a mistake...either that or at some point when they became 1st level they copied some more spells in their books

Was their an actual rule question or was it just causing confusion?

[Midnight_Angel]

Hmm... their allotments of starting spells known look correct to me.

Question is, how did they prepare spells/extracts that are not in their spellbooks?

[Chris Braga]

@Drakkiel - both, really. The rules seemed clear, but seeing two pregens have more known spells than they should is leading to confusion (I'm planning on DM'ing We Be Goblins)

@Angel - In the Ezren write-up, the author states he knows the seven spells in his book in addition to the ones he has prepared. You can check him out here: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/npcCodex/iconic/ezren.html

As for Mogmurch, he indeed has two different extracts prepared from the four he knows. I'd like to know if this is a mistake, in which case I'll ask the person playing him to drop two of the formulas in his book.

[Mark Hoover]

Maybe he spent starting gold scribing 2 extra spells from his master's spellbooks? Can you even do that? I've had wizard PCs with Scribe Scroll use that feat and starting gold to start out w/some extra ammo; why not buy some spells before the game even begins?

[LazarX]

Mark Hoover wrote:

Maybe he spent starting gold scribing 2 extra spells from his master's spellbooks? Can you even do that? I've had wizard PCs with Scribe Scroll use that feat and starting gold to start out w/some extra ammo; why not buy some spells before the game even begins?

In PFS you can. you have to spend 150 percent of the cost of scribing the spell to add it to your books.

[Lochmonster]

"In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more."

That is also another, cheaper way to add spells to a spell book, as per the CRB.

Not sure if it's PFS legal though.

[Grick]

Lochmonster wrote:

"In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more."

That is also another, cheaper way to add spells to a spell book, as per the CRB.

Not sure if it's PFS legal though.

That's what LazarX was talking about, though he didn't bother to cite the actual rule he was referring to.

This is absolutely PFS Legal.