Arcane Bond Item Wizard and Sorcerer (Tatooed Sorcerer)


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Can a wizard with an arcane bond item take a level of Sorcerer with the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype? It would appear this multi-class (archetype) combination is not possible because selection of an arcane bond “is permanent and cannot be changed.” Since the Tattooed Sorcerer grants the sorcerer a familiar and they are not allowed to have an arcane bond item, it would seem that these two character models are mutually exclusive. Is it fair to say that only wizards who have taken the familiar option when selecting their arcane bond at first level are eligible to take the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype down the road?


Dammerung wrote:
Can a wizard with an arcane bond item take a level of Sorcerer with the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype?

Familiar Tattoo (Su): "this ability does not allow her to have both a familiar and a bonded item."


Yes and no. You're not "supposed" to have both a Bonded Item and a Familiar, but there's no rule against it.

Edit: Except in this specific case...

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Dammerung wrote:
Can a wizard with an arcane bond item take a level of Sorcerer with the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype? It would appear this multi-class (archetype) combination is not possible because selection of an arcane bond “is permanent and cannot be changed.” Since the Tattooed Sorcerer grants the sorcerer a familiar and they are not allowed to have an arcane bond item, it would seem that these two character models are mutually exclusive. Is it fair to say that only wizards who have taken the familiar option when selecting their arcane bond at first level are eligible to take the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype down the road?

Since the Tattooed Sorcerer archetype SPECIFICALLY says it won't give you a familiar if you have a bonded item, you can take the archetype but you just don't get a familiar. That class feature would be absent. Because of that, it's simply a very bad choice, but someone could do it if they really wanted to.


What if you took the tattooed sorcerer level first, then took a level of wizard? If you take a familiar as your bond that looks ok.

1. Can a wizard even choose a bonded item at this point? Does the order of which class you took first matter? Wizards don't have the same "can't have both" blurb that sorcerers do. It just says once you make your decision for a wizard it can't be changed. Does the tattooed sorcerer restriction prevent the wizard from choosing an arcane bond?

3. If the wizard really wanted the arcane bond, would he have to dismiss the tattooed sorcerer's familiar?

4. Could a wizard take an archetype that substitutes the arcane bond wizard feature and thus keep the Sorcerer familiar?

I'm assuming once you take the sorcerer tattooed familiar you are locked in for your arcane bond, but i'd like to know if there is any way around it if you then take levels in wizard.

Thanks for any insights.


If you take wizard second you have to take familiar. You can't really get arounx what the sorc class festure says.

No dismissing the familiar doesn't change the class feature.

Yes if you take an archetype that no longer has the class feature there is no longer conflict.

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