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Hal Fling - Halfling [Warslinger] Fighter
1st
Str: 15 (-2)
Dex: 16 (+2) 5
Con: 12
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Cha: 10 (+2)
AC: 18 (3 Dex +4 Armor +1 Small)
Flat: 14
Touch: 14
CMB = +2
CMD = 15
Init: + 5
Spd: 20ft
HP: 11
Fort: + 3
Ref: + 4
Will: + 1
Attack:
Slingstaff: + 4 1d4 + 3
Slingstaff: + 5 1d6 + 2 (+1 within 30 feat, X3)
Feats: Point Blank, Precise Shot
Traits: Reactionary (+2 init) and Deft Dodger (+1 reflex)
Skills (3 [2 Fighter, 1 Human, 1 Favored): Climb: 1 Rank (8-2 = 6), Knowledge Dungeoneering:,0, Survival: 1 Rank (5), Perception: 1 Rank (+4),
Gear (175gp): Chain Shirt (100), Slingstaff (20 gp), Pathfinder Kit 12 Gp, arrows (1 gp) 12 pg misc.
3rd
Str: 15 (-2)
Dex: 16 (+2) 5
Con: 12
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Cha: 10 (+2)
AC: 20 (3 Dex +6 Armor +1 Small)
Flat: 14
Touch: 14
CMB = +2
CMD = 15
Init: + 5
Spd: 20ft
HP: 20
Fort: + 5
Ref: + 6
Will: + 3 (+1 vs Fear)
Attack: +1 Slingstaff: + 7 1d4 + 3 (+5 for 1d4+6 Power attack)
+1 Slingstaff: + 8 1d6 + 2 (+1 within 30 feat, Deadly Aim is +7 1d6+4, X3 crit)
Feats: Point Blank, Precise Shot, Power attack, Deadly Aim
Traits: Reactionary (+2 init) and Deft Dodger (+1 reflex)
Skills (9 [2 Fighter, 1 Human, 1 Favored): Climb: 3 Rank (8-4 = 6), Knowledge Dungeoneering:,0, Survival: 3 Rank (7), Perception: 3 Rank (+6),
Gear (3000gp): Chain mail (100), Slingstaff (2300 gp), Pathfinder Kit 12 Gp, arrows (1 gp) 12 pg misc.
6rd
Str: 18 (-2)
Dex: 16 (+2) 5
Con: 12
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Cha: 10 (+2)
AC: 23 (3 Dex +9 Armor +1 Small)
Flat: 14
Touch: 14
CMB = +2
CMD = 15
Init: + 5
Spd: 20ft
HP: 20
Fort: + 8
Ref: + 8
Will: + 5 (+3 Fear)
Attack:
+1 Slingstaff Melee: + 14/+9 1d4 + 9 (+12/7 for 1d4+15 Power attack)
+1 Slingstaff Ranged: + 13/+8 1d6 + 7 (+1 Damage within 80 feat, Deadly Aim is +11 1d6+10, X3 crit)
Feats: Point Blank, Precise Shot, Power attack, Deadly Aim, Weapon Focus (Sling Staff), Weapon Specialization, Arc Slinger
Weapon Training (Thrown)
Traits: Reactionary (+2 init) and Deft Dodger (+1 reflex)
Skills (9 [2 Fighter, 1 Human, 1 Favored): Climb: 6 Rank (11-3 = 8), Knowledge Dungeoneering:,0, Survival: 6 Rank (10), Perception: 6 Rank (+9),
Gear (16kgp): Masterwork Full Plate Mail (1800), Slingstaff (2300 gp), Pathfinder Kit 12 Gp, arrows (1 gp) 12 pg misc, Belt of Giant Strength (4000), Sash of the War Champion, Cloak of Resistance (1000), Ring of Protection (2000)
I may do 10th later, I was already rushing this on my lunch so who knows what I messed up :)
For some reason, reloading a sling is not a free action, IIRC... -.-'
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For some reason, reloading a sling is not a free action, IIRC... -.-'
Halfling warslinger.
"Warslinger: Halflings are experts at the use of the sling. Halflings with this racial trait can reload a sling as a free action. Reloading a sling still requires two hands and provokes attacks of opportunity. This racial trait replaces sure-footed."
So if you are close enough to provoke, it is a two-handed club, if not it is a sling with a point blank range out to 80ft
Useful at all stops as a switch hitter. I may invest in stealth later since I get the +4 bonus for being small and the ACP will basically go away when I'm 10th level, even in full plate.
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I wanted to do a similar build, but then I realized that with point-blank master there is no need to use the staff-sling as melee weapon, but I suppose this build do not have to worry about running low of ammunition.
It is also that all your enhancements and bonuses are on a single weapon that can be used for either purpose.
EDIT: Also, I don't have to wait until I get point blank master and can instead use the feat on Power attack.
Because if you are that close, I might as well hit you for even more damage.
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Anyway... Politicians are usually not the best looking people in the world, but they're charismatic enough to convince people to vote for them.
Sadly these days it's less about being charismatic and more about weaving believable lies than anything else.
But you don't have to look to politics to find people who are considered to have tons of charisma yet be ugly as sin. Music is filled with 'em - Billy Joel, Lyle Lovett, David Lee Roth - all considered charismatic yet all not much to look at.
In history too, some of the greatest musicians ever were not much to look at but revered as near deities in their circles - Mozart and Schubert come to mind.
But you don't have to look to politics to find people who are considered to have tons of charisma yet be ugly as sin. Music is filled with 'em - Billy Joel, Lyle Lovett, David Lee Roth - all considered charismatic yet all not much to look at.
How can you mention Billy Joel and David Lee Roth and not Mick Jagger and Steven Tylor?
What about a druid build? who can make the most bad-ass druid?
Capable of dealing 310 damage, automatically, in a single melee attack.
Wahh, Lemmy never commented on my inquisitor or my Magus!
Wahh, Lemmy never commented on my inquisitor or my Magus!
Sry, STR Ranger, your builds are a bit confusing to read. They're too fragmented in too many spoilers.
Could you organize them in a more readable manner?
I have two or three others. One is modeled after Poison Ivy from Batman.
Wahh, Lemmy never commented on my inquisitor or my Magus!Sry, STR Ranger, your builds are a bit confusing to read. They're too fragmented in too many spoilers.
Could you organize them in a more readable manner?
S' ok dude.
I have been playing those builds.
I know they kick ass already.
Was just playing.
Basically the Inquisitor is awesome cause of Mega high saves and the War domain getting any combat feat as a swift.
(His normal feats of Blindfight, Combat Exp and Power attack meets the prerequisites for just about anything)
The rest of the awesomeness is just from the inherent class abilities.
The Magus is awesome cause he's an Int focused Hexcrafter. (STR is second)
Plus he does both the Magical Lineage, Intensify SG trick
and
He knows the Wayang Spellhunter, Rime Spell, Frostbite, Enforcer Trick.
and he does the spell combat Gtr Invis (Moonlight Stalker bit)
I have two or three others. One is modeled after Poison Ivy from Batman.Hey, I made one of those too!
S' ok dude.
I have been playing those builds.
I know they kick ass already.
Was just playing.Basically the Inquisitor is awesome cause of Mega high saves and the War domain getting any combat feat as a swift.
(His normal feats of Blindfight, Combat Exp and Power attack meets the prerequisites for just about anything)
The rest of the awesomeness is just from the inherent class abilities.The Magus is awesome cause he's an Int focused Hexcrafter. (STR is second)
Plus he does both the Magical Lineage, Intensify SG trick
and
He knows the Wayang Spellhunter, Rime Spell, Frostbite, Enforcer Trick.
and he does the spell combat Gtr Invis (Moonlight Stalker bit)
Then I'll believe yuou about their ass-kickery! ^^
I have two or three others. One is modeled after Poison Ivy from Batman.Hey, I made one of those too!
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If anybody knows the DPR formula, I'd love to know what this build's DPR is.You should have posted its offensive options with its attack/damage bonuses, critical threat range and crit damage multiplier already included, (e.g.: Melee: +3 Keen Katana +17/+12 (1d8+9/15-20/x2) it'd have made it easier, but no problem...
At 10th level against AC24 (average AC for CR10), according to my Excel DPR spreadsheet, your Aasimar Ninja's DPR is...
16,74 (without SA)
28.99 (SA only for the 1st attack)
36.87 (Not flaking but still getting SA on all attacks) -> Up to 60.19 using Ki for an extra attack
44.69 (Flanking - SA on all attacks) -> Up to 71.92 using Ki for an extra attackNot mind-blowing, but not bad either, IMHO.
Is that spreadsheet posted anywhere? Also, does it use macros? If not, it'll run under Open Office (or whatever they call it nowadays).
Wow, they aren't even remotely similar.I have two or three others. One is modeled after Poison Ivy from Batman.Hey, I made one of those too!
Haha, I thought about making her a druid too... But she is not exactly a wise person... And I'm pretty sure her Cha is above 10... ^^
To be fair, I think you were focusing more on the picture. I was trying to make a PF adaptation of Poison Ivy.
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Hal Fling Halfling [Warslinger] Fighter 10
Str: 19 (-2)
Dex: 18 (+2) 5
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Cha: 10 (+2)
AC: 28 (4 Dex +11 Armor +1 Small +1 Amulet, +1 Ring)
Flat: 14
Touch: 14
CMB = +2
CMD = 15
Init: + 5
Spd: 20ft
HP: 89.5
Fort: + 10
Ref: + 9
Will: + 8 (+4 Fear)
Attack:
+3 Slingstaff Melee: + 22/+17 1d4 + 11 (+19/14 for 1d4+20 Power attack)
+3 Slingstaff Ranged: + 19/+14 1d6 + 9 (+1 Damage within 80 feat, Deadly Aim is +15/+10 1d6+15, X3 crit)
Feats: Point Blank, Precise Shot, Power attack, Deadly Aim, Weapon Focus (Sling Staff), Weapon Specialization, Arc Slinger, Disrupting Shot, Iron Will, Halfling Slinger, Toughness
Weapon Training (Thrown) 2, (Heavy Blades) 1,
Traits: Reactionary (+2 init) and Deft Dodger (+1 reflex)
Skills (9 [2 Fighter, 1 Human, 1 Favored): Climb: 10 Rank (16-1 = 8), Knowledge Dungeoneering:,0, Survival: 10 Rank (11), Perception: 10 Rank (+12),
Gear (16kgp): +2 Full Plate Mail (5800), Slingstaff (18300 gp), Pathfinder Kit 12 Gp, arrows (1 gp) 12 pg misc, Belt of Physical Perfection (16000), Sash of the War Champion (4000), Cloak of Resistance (1000), Ring of Protection (2000), Boots of Speed (12000), Amulet of Natural Armor (2000), 3k Misc potions
Pretty much.
Why do people seem to think this is at all difficult? I'm surprised more people aren't doing it.
For some reason, reloading a sling is not a free action, IIRC... -.-'Halfling warslinger.
"Warslinger: Halflings are experts at the use of the sling. Halflings with this racial trait can reload a sling as a free action. Reloading a sling still requires two hands and provokes attacks of opportunity. This racial trait replaces sure-footed."
So if you are close enough to provoke, it is a two-handed club, if not it is a sling with a point blank range out to 80ft
Useful at all stops as a switch hitter. I may invest in stealth later since I get the +4 bonus for being small and the ACP will basically go away when I'm 10th level, even in full plate.
I was just looking this over... but I don't think warslinger applies to the halfling sling staff. Only to the basic "sling".
Which means you would want to take the feat "sling flail" to be able to use your sling as a flail in combat.
Well, I haven't posted in this thread in a while so I think I'll go ahead and give Pepe Le'Boom a shot to see what people think of him.
Pepe Le'Boom
CN Small Humanoid (Gnome)
Initative:+4 Senses:+16
Defense
AC:28 Touch:20 Flat-footed:23
HP:79
Fort:+13 Reflex:+15 Will:+10
Offense
Speed:20 ft.
Ranged:+1 Reliable Pistol +15/+10 (1d6+4/20/x4 Range 20 ft.)
Pistol w/ Point Blank Shot +16/+11 (1d6+5/20/x4 Range 20 ft.)
Pistol w/ Deadly Aim +12/+7 (1d6+16/20/x4 Range 20 ft.)
Pistol w/ Rapid Shot +13/+13/+7 (1d6+4/20/x4 Range 20 ft.)
Pistol w/ Deadly Aim, Point Blank Shot, and Rapid Shot +11/+11/+6 (1d6+17/20/x4 Range 20 ft.)
Special Attacks:
Bombs 11/day +14/+9 (3d6+3/20/x2 Range 20 ft. only 1d6 multiplied on a critical hit)
Bombs w/ Point Blank Shot +15/+10 (3d6+4/20/x2 Range 20 ft.)
Bombs w/ Deadly Aim +11/+6 (3d6+15/20/x2 Range 20 ft.)
Bombs w/ Rapid Shot +12/+12/+7 (3d6+3/20/x2 Range 20 ft.)
Bombs w/ Rapid Shot, Deadly Aim, and Point Blank Shot +10/+10/+7 (3d6+16/20/x2 Range 20 ft.)
Reflex Saving Throw for Splash Damage: DC 15
Extracts:
2nd level (3/day) DC:15
Blur and Cure Moderate Wounds
1st Level (5/day) DC:14
Bomber's Eye, Crafter's Fortune, Cure Light Wounds, Endure Elements, and Expeditious Retreat
Statistics
Str:8 Dex:18 Con:14 Int:16 Wis:16 Cha:10
BAB:+8/+3 CMB:+6 CMD:21
Feats: Rapid Reload, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, Deadly Aim, Iron Will, and Precise Shot
Skills: Acrobatics +12, Climb +7, Craft (Firearms) +16, Craft (Alchemy) +25, Disable Device +12, Knowledge (Engineering) +16, Perception +18, Profession (Engineer) +16, Swim +7, Slight of Hand +12
Languages:Common, Gnome, Sylvan, Elven, Dwarven, and Giant
SQ:Alchemy, Chameleon Mutagen, Alchemical Weapon, Throw Anything, Alchemist Discoveries (Precise Bomb, Fast Bomb, Explosive Missile), Swift Alchemy, Gunsmith, Grit (3), Deeds (Up Close and Deadly, Gunslinger's Dodge, Quick Clear, Gunslinger's Initiative, Utility Shot), Nimble, Pistol Training, Darkvision, Defensive Training, Keen Senses, Obsessive, Pyromaniac, Hatred, and Weapon Familiarity
Combat Gear:+1 Reliable Pistol, +3 Cloak of Resistance, +2 Belt of Dexterity, +2 Headband of Wisdom, +2 Amulet of Natural Armor, +2 Ring of Protection, +2 Mithril Chain Shirt, Cracked Pale Green Prism Ioun Stone, Dusty Rose Prism Ioun Stone, and Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier
What about a druid build? who can make the most bad-ass druid?Capable of dealing 310 damage, automatically, in a single melee attack.
And modest as ever RD.Still the man though don't get me wrong.
And whats with all the halflings? is it the medium sized mount thing for dungeon-based charger builds? Cuz the -2 strength, -1 Cmd and Cmb and small weapon damage kill it for me . I HATE SMALL races for pc's(just my own that is) and to top it off if it only has a 20' movement speed you can bet I will NEVER make one. Dwarf being an exception because they're not small and they're awesome. Clerics with travel and halflings with fleet footed, goblins with Goblin Gunslinger feat are also exceptions so never isn't accurate but yeah I really don't like small races.
Nicos: I am a bit confused with your last build. Did you use an archetype? If not, why did you give your Fighter mithral armor instead of adamant armor? With armor training I think mithral is redundant, might as well get the DR. Unless I am missing something?
Also I can't seem to find some of the "special" abilities listed:
Burst of Speed
Desert Stride
Rapid Attack
Lightning Strike
Where did they come from?
Note: I would totally take a fighter over a barbarian any day. ;-)
Honestly Thomas, I think you won the argument that power creep exists.
Pounce is so incredibly overpowered that you would be an idiot to make a barbarian and not get it. The same can be (and is) said about the gloves of dueling for fighters to the point where fighter archetypes are now invalid because of features that replace weapon training with features that are identical, but don't allow use of the gloves.
And how are you getting these saves?
Fort 18 (35)
Ref 12 (25)
Will 10 (23)
A 35 Fort save? Really? Why not just give yourself immunity to all spells and abilities that target Fort? It is almost (within 5%) the same thing. If these saves do not work against everything, then your Will save is pathetically low vs. the things you are not virtually immune to.
Wait a minute...
I just looked up Superstition. How has this never been mentioned before in any of the thread I have seen superstition come up?
While raging, the barbarian cannot be a willing target of any spell and must make saving throws to resist all spells, even those cast by allies.
It seems to me this is equal to a dead barbarian. I mean, it's nice you resisted that Finger of Death and Disintegrate. It's just too bad you also resisted that heal spell and are going to die next round now.
No, I'm still not buying it. People say over and over how the Monk's Spell Resistance is more hindrance than help because it resists beneficial spells as well as harmful ones. But apparently if a barbarian does the same thing it's no big deal. Name a buff spell and the barbarian can't (or most likely won't) be affected by it while raging, and he is apparently always raging during a battle.
And I didn't say healing spells, I said Heal. Heal will keep up with damage, and removes many other negative effects. The fighter can benefit from this, your barbarian almost certainly won't. Why would the healer even bother to try?
The character is ridiculous anyway. He is definitely not a mage killer. Difficult terrain or something in the way (like a lowly fighter) and the barbarian can't pounce. (I know, all battles take place on flat featureless terrain.) The first mage he sees is going to turn invisible and fly up above him. Then he just waits for your barbarian's rage to run out and it's over. (You didn't give your 15th level character any ranged weapons and he has no way to fly.) The wizard can drop him in a pit, charm or dominate him, send him to another plane... The possibilities are endless.
Okay, I will admit that if you put this barbarian in a party all of a sudden he becomes a lot more useful. But so will the fighter. Against a CR appropriate challenge either character's party could send them off to charge the beastie and draw it's attention. The barbarian will probably do more damage in the initial charge, but I'm not so sure he will survive the encounter any better than the fighter, possibly worse.
Incidentally, what is his save vs. a dragon's fear? Frightful Presence (Ex) DC22. What is the fighter's? It looks like the barbarian has about a 50/50 chance of running away like a little girl. ;-)
Additionally, a lot of barbarians are able to rage cycle, and thus can strategically leave rage down for a cleric to heal them if it is absolutely needed.
his save versus dragon fear will be about + 18 courageous adds your weapon enhancement (+6 while raging) versus fear.
Edit: Try learning the basics of equipment before calling that out ;)
One of the arguments against the fighter is that he may not always have his signature weapon, and this is a weakness. It more likely that you will not have a courageous weapon than a fighter will not have some type of falchion (or whatever). I looked up some of your equipment, but I missed the courageous ability. Happens to the best of us.
Edit: Edit: and the barbarian can receive any spells or spell likes he wants before the battle begins. He just can't do it while raging.
That is the same argument people try to use for the monk. It doesn't seem to help. I will grant that at least you can have spells cast on you if you are knocked unconscious, because your rage goes away.
On the down side you can also receive spells like Dominate Person before the battle begins. Then you rage on your turn and start tearing up your own party. Or he could order you to rage and then stop raging, leaving you fatigued and incapable of raging for a couple rounds.
Furthermore anything that full attacks him is over doubling his DPR since he auto attacks back whenever they attack him. He can fly plenty fine so long as its cast before he rages. Might wanna brush up on basic tactics :P
I mentioned that if you include him in a party he suddenly becomes a lot more useful. That would include thing like casting Fly on him.
I have two thought experiments for you. First, imagine this character was an enemy and you party had to go up against him, would the players be happy about the Come and Get Me ability? I can guaranty they would not. It is overpowered.
Second, try to make a barbarian without using any of the feats or powers that this barbarian has. There are hundreds of feats and powers, it should be easy. If you can't do it then the ones you are using are broken. Ones that stick out as broken are Come and Get Me, Raging Vitality and Superstition.
Additionally, a lot of barbarians are able to rage cycle, and thus can strategically leave rage down for a cleric to heal them if it is absolutely needed.
How do they rage cycle before 17th level? I might be missing something again...
Additionally, a lot of barbarians are able to rage cycle, and thus can strategically leave rage down for a cleric to heal them if it is absolutely needed.How do they rage cycle before 17th level? I might be missing something again...
Dip of 1 level lame oracle at level 10 or later will get you fatigue immunity.
Cord of stubborn resolve converts a fatigue effect into non-lethal damage (that the DR a barb has will eliminate).
There are some other ways as well, I'm not super familiar with them, as I don't consider rage cycling when I make builds, its part of what makes barb's silly.
Rage-cycling can get a little ridiculous, but I would say it's worth getting the ability to do so even if you don't plan to eventually go for any of the 1/rage powers that really make it crazy. Superstition does become a lot less problematic when you can freely turn rage on and off as needed, and not getting knocked out or rage by a simple fatigue spell is nice as well.
Spell Resistance on the Monk is hurt a lot by needing a standard action to raise/lower. Turning it off and on mid-combat isn't really an option unless you can afford to burn multiple turns.